While he denied the claim, he did admit to getting a massage while at Epstein’s house, although he stated that he kept his underwear on and did not enjoy it.
I guess it's only sexual abuse if you enjoy it...
On a serious note, there is just no bottom to the depravity of the US ruling class, is there?
None. They can and do get away with any evil, and their team will continue to cheer for them.
I really don’t know what to do about it, don’t know that I can. But I’m coming home from vacation and plan on finding some local groups to join that I can support. I’m also a leader in our scout troop, so hopefully passing along better morals to some of our youth.
What's implied here, is, that there is direct evidence of trump having sex with minors. And enough people obviously know that it's release is inevitable, they're doing this tired labor of trying to redefine what a pedophile is or isn't.
Just say "evidence of Trump raping children", though. Your "having sex with minors" suuure sounds like the minimizing, deliberate lying (to hide extreme harm) that all the fuckin rags do.
More pedantic phrasing still doesn't change the fact that he committed serious crimes. I guess now they'll try to retroactively change the age of consent.
Apologies if I'm misinterpreting you here, but I do not find the distinction between "had sex with minors" and "raped children" to be merely pedantic.
One of those is phrased as a consensual interaction, carrying water for the worst among us by glossing over the inherent violence, manipulation, coercion - the other one tells the truth.
No one is indefensible. Dershowitz sucks but not because he defended people who you don't like. Everyone gets a fair trial or no one does. If the state can just accuse you of pedophilia and it's too noxious to defend you, the state can do that to anyone, and all rights are out the window.
It's possible, if unlikely. Dershowitz's first wife died of "suicide" by drowning herself in the East River after a shitty contentious divorce that apparently started when he left her for a much younger law student.
This guy started off as contrary and over time, I believe, became truly evil. There are no lows to which he will not sink. He wasn't just Epstein's personal defense lawyer against all the various lawsuits involving girls and trafficking, he was also best buddies with Epstein for years. An excellent article (that was published less than two weeks before Epstein died in jail) is this piece by The New Yorker:
I wouldn't listen to anything that pedophile cunt dershowitz says. He's all over the Epstein flight logs, visited Epstein Island a bunch of times, then defended Epstein in court. Virginia Guiffre says he raped her on Epstein airplane. Dude is a pedophile who rapes kids, just like all his rich pedophile buddies who raped kids. Makes Harvard look like a place that protects pedophiles.
But, to be fair, he's also being interviewed by the brother of the guy who's defending Bibi in court for war crimes and genocide. We have to accept their side of the argument as well. It's not pedophilia if the girl went through puberty, and it's not genocide if the other side burned your Reichstag building. (do I have to write /s on lemmy?)
Be VERY wary when you encounter a person trying ever so hard to lean into that invisible line between pedophilia and hebephilia or ephebophilia, because chances are excellent you are talking to a person who does not or will not understand the very real and lasting harm done by any of these acts, and possibly approves of one or more strongly.
To be clear, I'm not talking about a sixteen year old who looks twenty-five; to me that's an entirely separate issue. If you genuinely believe you are looking at an adult, IMO there's neither harm nor foul in having thoughts there.
Instead I am referring to looking at an obviously underage, clearly pubescent or pre-pubescent boy or girl and finding that sexually attractive.
People who defend that by slapping the label of ephebophilia on it, when clearly the age and/or appearance of the victim does not rise to that standard, are hoping you don't already know exactly what ephebophilia means, that it is different than hebephilia and pedophilia, and that it, too, is incredibly questionable.
As a reminder for anyone not sure (definitions extracted from the first paragraph of the Wiki article for each):
Pedophilia: sexual attraction to prepubescent children; psychiatric diagnostic criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13
Hebephilia: strong, persistent sexual interest by adults in pubescent children who are in early adolescence, typically ages 11–14
Ephebophilia: primary sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19
Coming from this fucking scheister, that's rich. Dershowitz himself is closely linked to Epstein and figures prominently in the files. Have those people no shame?
If I was him, I'd go hide somewhere as far from the US as possible. Because if anyone is even more suspiciously a pedo than Trump in the Epstein files, that would be him. And yet here he is, running his disgusting mouth. Just unbelievable...
probably from German Scheisser, literally, defecator
First Known Use 1844
I thought it derived from the character Shylock but Webster’s says no. Also for anyone who doesn’t know, please note it also can be very Jew-hatey, so there’s that.
Scheister is an accepted spelling. It's also a lot more about shit lawyers than about shit jews than shyster, which is why I always prefer using it. It's also a lot more about shit than shyness if you speak German and derivatives, which is also more in line with what I think of lawyers.
Well, even if it's incorrect, I'll use it. One of the powers of the English language is that you can mold it to your liking and it's a-okay as long as other people understand you. And if Shakespeare can invent 1,600 words, surely I can invent a few myself 😜
And I thought it meant someone who operates a shy: a carnival attraction where you throw things at various kinds of targets in order to win a prize. The shy is one of the archetypal rigged games.
But I'm sure the dictionary compilers must know better than a yob like me.
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nymnympseudonym@piefed.social · 128 pts · 273d
Reminder for anyone who missed the memo
Bonifratz@piefed.zip · 78 pts · 273d
I guess it's only sexual abuse if you enjoy it...
On a serious note, there is just no bottom to the depravity of the US ruling class, is there?
4grams@awful.systems · 24 pts · 273d
None. They can and do get away with any evil, and their team will continue to cheer for them.
I really don’t know what to do about it, don’t know that I can. But I’m coming home from vacation and plan on finding some local groups to join that I can support. I’m also a leader in our scout troop, so hopefully passing along better morals to some of our youth.
HK65@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 272d
It just came out recently that wealthy Americans and Russians came to the Balkans during the Yugoslav war to hunt and kill civilians for fun.
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 273d
See, not a pedophile.
Who among us hasn't sucked a random airport cock to make sure you're not a gay?
Who amongst us hasn't raped a child to make sure you're not a pedophile?
Can we really fault a man for exploring his sexuality?
BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz · 79 pts · 273d
It's not TECHNICALLY Pedophilia!
-The people calling Trans people PEDOPHILES!
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 75 pts · 273d
What's implied here, is, that there is direct evidence of trump having sex with minors. And enough people obviously know that it's release is inevitable, they're doing this tired labor of trying to redefine what a pedophile is or isn't.
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 273d
As was predicted.
Nothing will happen now that pedophiles run the world. This is literally a return to norm.
This whole child rape thing is a new concept that came about when we let women vote.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 270d
I demand to know what is going to be done about Trump having sex with minors
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 272d
Yep, we got it, pretty clear.
Just say "evidence of Trump raping children", though. Your "having sex with minors" suuure sounds like the minimizing, deliberate lying (to hide extreme harm) that all the fuckin rags do.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 270d
More pedantic phrasing still doesn't change the fact that he committed serious crimes. I guess now they'll try to retroactively change the age of consent.
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 269d
Apologies if I'm misinterpreting you here, but I do not find the distinction between "had sex with minors" and "raped children" to be merely pedantic.
One of those is phrased as a consensual interaction, carrying water for the worst among us by glossing over the inherent violence, manipulation, coercion - the other one tells the truth.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 269d
Good point
KoboldCoterie@pawb.social · 60 pts · 273d
Oh, man - when your defense has to boil down to "Yeah but sexually exploiting kids isn't really that bad...", you know you're fucked.
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · 14 pts · 273d
Dershowitz has made a career defending the indefensible.
But worry not: there's a special place in hell reserved for him already, and at his age, he's probably starting to feel the flames lick his feet.
CatsPajamas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 273d
No one is indefensible. Dershowitz sucks but not because he defended people who you don't like. Everyone gets a fair trial or no one does. If the state can just accuse you of pedophilia and it's too noxious to defend you, the state can do that to anyone, and all rights are out the window.
barnaclebutt@lemmy.world · 49 pts · 273d
Remember that Alan Dershowitz likely murdered his wife and molested children with Epstein.
Edit: Also, why does the lesser Cuomo look like a pirate?
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · 12 pts · 273d
Never heard that in my life.
Sources?
Agreed on that one.
ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 273d
It's possible, if unlikely. Dershowitz's first wife died of "suicide" by drowning herself in the East River after a shitty contentious divorce that apparently started when he left her for a much younger law student.
This guy started off as contrary and over time, I believe, became truly evil. There are no lows to which he will not sink. He wasn't just Epstein's personal defense lawyer against all the various lawsuits involving girls and trafficking, he was also best buddies with Epstein for years. An excellent article (that was published less than two weeks before Epstein died in jail) is this piece by The New Yorker:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/08/05/alan-dershowitz-devils-advocate
I didn't get the usual paywall but here's an archive link if you need one
vegeta@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 273d
Angling for that pardon once the files come out, eh?
meeeeetch@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 273d
Okay, fine ephebophilia.
Still rape. Still illegal.
ButtermilkBiscuit@feddit.nl · 27 pts · 273d
I wouldn't listen to anything that pedophile cunt dershowitz says. He's all over the Epstein flight logs, visited Epstein Island a bunch of times, then defended Epstein in court. Virginia Guiffre says he raped her on Epstein airplane. Dude is a pedophile who rapes kids, just like all his rich pedophile buddies who raped kids. Makes Harvard look like a place that protects pedophiles.
DaMummy@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 273d
But, to be fair, he's also being interviewed by the brother of the guy who's defending Bibi in court for war crimes and genocide. We have to accept their side of the argument as well. It's not pedophilia if the girl went through puberty, and it's not genocide if the other side burned your Reichstag building. (do I have to write /s on lemmy?)
ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 273d
Be VERY wary when you encounter a person trying ever so hard to lean into that invisible line between pedophilia and hebephilia or ephebophilia, because chances are excellent you are talking to a person who does not or will not understand the very real and lasting harm done by any of these acts, and possibly approves of one or more strongly.
To be clear, I'm not talking about a sixteen year old who looks twenty-five; to me that's an entirely separate issue. If you genuinely believe you are looking at an adult, IMO there's neither harm nor foul in having thoughts there.
Instead I am referring to looking at an obviously underage, clearly pubescent or pre-pubescent boy or girl and finding that sexually attractive.
People who defend that by slapping the label of ephebophilia on it, when clearly the age and/or appearance of the victim does not rise to that standard, are hoping you don't already know exactly what ephebophilia means, that it is different than hebephilia and pedophilia, and that it, too, is incredibly questionable.
As a reminder for anyone not sure (definitions extracted from the first paragraph of the Wiki article for each):
Pedophilia: sexual attraction to prepubescent children; psychiatric diagnostic criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13
Hebephilia: strong, persistent sexual interest by adults in pubescent children who are in early adolescence, typically ages 11–14
Ephebophilia: primary sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 273d
Ah, finally? I was wondering when they'd start with that one
RedMari@reddthat.com · 16 pts · 273d
This last ditch excuse ignores that even if it's technically a different label, it's still illegaland horrendously wrong
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · 14 pts · 273d
Coming from this fucking scheister, that's rich. Dershowitz himself is closely linked to Epstein and figures prominently in the files. Have those people no shame?
If I was him, I'd go hide somewhere as far from the US as possible. Because if anyone is even more suspiciously a pedo than Trump in the Epstein files, that would be him. And yet here he is, running his disgusting mouth. Just unbelievable...
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 273d
*shyster* but your spelling is better.
I thought it derived from the character Shylock but Webster’s says no. Also for anyone who doesn’t know, please note it also can be very Jew-hatey, so there’s that.
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · 4 pts · 273d
Scheister is an accepted spelling. It's also a lot more about shit lawyers than about shit jews than shyster, which is why I always prefer using it. It's also a lot more about shit than shyness if you speak German and derivatives, which is also more in line with what I think of lawyers.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 273d
Not on the interwebs I can see, but would be curious to find the source for that. All the results I get back just spell it the other way.
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · 3 pts · 273d
From Wiktionary:
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 273d
Geez why not make jghyshter an alternative form. Worsceshesctershistershire.
Wacky.
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · 2 pts · 273d
Well, even if it's incorrect, I'll use it. One of the powers of the English language is that you can mold it to your liking and it's a-okay as long as other people understand you. And if Shakespeare can invent 1,600 words, surely I can invent a few myself 😜
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 273d
Fair enough!
Happy cromulenting!
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 273d
And I thought it meant someone who operates a shy: a carnival attraction where you throw things at various kinds of targets in order to win a prize. The shy is one of the archetypal rigged games.
But I'm sure the dictionary compilers must know better than a yob like me.
mushroommunk@lemmy.today · 12 pts · 273d
Relevant Gianmarco Soresi
JoshuaFalken@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 273d
Technically speaking
This joke is the first thing I thought of when I saw the headline.
ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 273d
That is absolutely perfect. YES. Thank you for the link.
He explained in three lines what took me a few paragraphs in another comment. I should have seen this first, lol.
devolution@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 273d
What is up with the obsession with white men and fucking children?
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 273d
White man here, I don't fucking know and it sickens me and it's tarnishing what little credit white men have left.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 272d
Sean combs, R Kelly... It's not a white guy thing it's a rich guy thing.
devolution@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 272d
The j6 goons aren't rich. Half of the pastors aren't rich. The majority of government officials aren't rich.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 273d
Some say it’s statutory.
khepri@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 273d
Oh man Dersh just continues to be the worst. Anyone who listens to the legal podcast Opening Arguments will have heard a lot about him.
hateisreality@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 273d
Pretty sure the lawyer has skeletons with Trumps
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 273d
DERRRRRRSH
“Trump lawyer” ffs.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 270d
I demand to know what is going to be done about Trump's crimes against the youth!