Some smart TVs also run content recognition algorithms on whatever input you give them, and upload it to the company servers who analyze it for profiling your interests. Maybe even sell that information for profit.
My 2-star review: Someone shit on this TV before returning it. I wanted to give the TV one star because it doesn't function without Internet. But I'm adding a star because that turd was fucking massive and it's pretty cool to shit on something like this before returning it.
There's always a niche instance but my example gives it a valid, but disposable, connection to complete setup, it can totally ping that server there at the beginning and give the all clear. And then you turn off that disposable Wi-Fi signal.
Tether to a bullshit Wi-Fi name (like with your phone), finish setup, turn it off and never enable that particular name again. Or research if your TV is like that before you buy it and just don't buy it. But shit happens so you deal with what comes at you as it comes at you.
Apparently, if not configured for local WiFi, many smart TVs will attempt to break into any other SSID they can find - with no input from the user requesting that it do so.
I do sometimes wonder, if the tv isn't recording what I do on my pc.
Also, RTFM. It took me 5 years to realize that the reason HDR wasn't working on my tv, is because it only works if I plug my pc in to the third hdmi port.
Some smart TVs do perform content recognition on all input channels, but you should be safe as long as it doesn't connect to WiFi. See my other comment in this thread for more info.
I don't know if it's on any TVs yet but in the US Amazon operates a LoRa and Bluetooth mesh network to allow various devices to get online through other people's internet-connected appliances such as their Ring and Echo products: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Sidewalk
Mesh network is actually pretty plausible. I remember reading about Amazon smart devices creating a very slow mesh network with each other. Not sure if that was proof of concept or something they actively do (but I could see that being helpful for certain auto config things, if devices can talk to eachother out of band they can establish better assumptions about the target network that they're configuring for)
Edit: Amazon Sidewalk is what I was thinking of. Based on the devices it's on its pretty clearly intended for location tracking like for Tile competitors
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webghost0101@sopuli.xyz · 72 pts · 269d
Step one:
Plug in a computer device into the first hdmi port.
Step two: Profit?
Or is it even more Invasive then this?
brillotti@lemmy.world · 64 pts · 269d
Some smart TVs also run content recognition algorithms on whatever input you give them, and upload it to the company servers who analyze it for profiling your interests. Maybe even sell that information for profit.
Link for more info: https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/home-entertainment/you-should-turn-off-acr-on-your-tv-right-now-and-why-it-makes-such-a-big-difference/
SmackemWittadic@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 269d
Yes, so you "plug computer into hdmi" and "do not connect TV to network of any variety"
mech@feddit.org · 40 pts · 269d
"Before you can use your device, please finish the setup process"
"Step 1: Connect to the internet"
[ ] OK
[X] Cancel
TV turns off
Honytawk@feddit.nl · 61 pts · 269d
Then you return that shitbox and complain that it does not function properly.
Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip · 42 pts · 269d
Easiest 1-star review: TV does not function without internet.
fartographer@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 268d
My 2-star review: Someone shit on this TV before returning it. I wanted to give the TV one star because it doesn't function without Internet. But I'm adding a star because that turd was fucking massive and it's pretty cool to shit on something like this before returning it.
KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 269d
We shouldn't be forced to do these things, but connect it to a junk wifi signal setup using tethering or something and once setup is done, disable it.
Scubus@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 268d
Itll ping a server. No server, no setup. Itll say it has to download software updates.
KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 268d
There's always a niche instance but my example gives it a valid, but disposable, connection to complete setup, it can totally ping that server there at the beginning and give the all clear. And then you turn off that disposable Wi-Fi signal.
webhead@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 268d
Tether to a bullshit Wi-Fi name (like with your phone), finish setup, turn it off and never enable that particular name again. Or research if your TV is like that before you buy it and just don't buy it. But shit happens so you deal with what comes at you as it comes at you.
0x0@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 268d
Set up a temporary network from a phone and kill it as soon as the TV is satisfied, or even better, return it and tell them exactly why.
toynbee@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 268d
Apparently, if not configured for local WiFi, many smart TVs will attempt to break into any other SSID they can find - with no input from the user requesting that it do so.
Psythik@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 268d
Good thing routers use encryption by default out of the box these days.
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 268d
This is an urban legend.
racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 267d
Take it apart and roast the WiFi module.
krooklochurm@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 268d
Just shield your entire living space.
meekah@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 268d
What the fuck.
Hyperrealism@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 22 pts · 269d
I do sometimes wonder, if the tv isn't recording what I do on my pc.
Also, RTFM. It took me 5 years to realize that the reason HDR wasn't working on my tv, is because it only works if I plug my pc in to the third hdmi port.
brillotti@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 269d
Some smart TVs do perform content recognition on all input channels, but you should be safe as long as it doesn't connect to WiFi. See my other comment in this thread for more info.
purplemonkeymad@programming.dev · 11 pts · 269d
Yea what is with the tv manufactures not making hdmi 1 the "feature" input. It makes no sense to me! Make 1 the best and sort the others to worst.
Droechai@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 269d
Maybe its a residue from "turn to channel 3 to see aux input"? Only halfway /s
SchadeMarmelade@feddit.org · 9 pts · 269d
As someone who doesn't own a smart tv, I believe I heard they even show ads as overlay on any input. As long as it is connected to the web, of course.
fonix232@fedia.io · 8 pts · 269d
IIRC the ads (currently) are only done in the smart OS part of the TV, not the direct input.
Honytawk@feddit.nl · 7 pts · 269d
It can't download any ads nor invade your privacy if it doesn't have internet connection.
RaccoonBall@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 269d
so are you moving deep into the woods, or will you remove its antenna before turning it on?
BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 269d
No need for the woods, you never connect it to the network.
Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 268d
As others have pointed out: some TVs will connect to any open or low security wifi if none is configured.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 269d
This is so gross.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 42 pts · 269d
BS indeed!
nexguy@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 268d
Sorry for those initials as we do not think it is bull shit.
^FU
smh@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 268d
Look, we can't be blamed for what our parents named us. ^SMH
hakunawazo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 268d
We appreciate that you contacted us to learn more about our ad function.
Sincerely
^GTFO
MissingGhost@lemmy.ml · 23 pts · 269d
How long until they ship with their own always on 3G cellular antenna so it's always showing ads without any network setup?
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de · 23 pts · 268d
Mesh network. Connect to neighboring TVs, at least one of them will have Internet
lemmy_get_my_coat@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 268d
Easy now, Satan.
cypherpunks@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 268d
I don't know if it's on any TVs yet but in the US Amazon operates a LoRa and Bluetooth mesh network to allow various devices to get online through other people's internet-connected appliances such as their Ring and Echo products: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Sidewalk
TipRing@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 268d
Jokes on them, I don't even have cell service at my house and my neighbors are well outside typical range for a node.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 268d
Mesh network is actually pretty plausible. I remember reading about Amazon smart devices creating a very slow mesh network with each other. Not sure if that was proof of concept or something they actively do (but I could see that being helpful for certain auto config things, if devices can talk to eachother out of band they can establish better assumptions about the target network that they're configuring for)
Edit: Amazon Sidewalk is what I was thinking of. Based on the devices it's on its pretty clearly intended for location tracking like for Tile competitors
edgemaster72@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 268d
jfc don't give them ideas
Credibly_Human@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 268d
There are no possible justifications for this.
People who trot out about "subsidized" prices can take a hike, as the prices haven't gone down, and there arent options to not have this.
They want their cake and to eat it, and to shit in your mouth.
The first 2 weren't enough.
ElectroLisa@piefed.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 269d
Oop is an NFT shill
io@piefed.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 268d
here is a smart tv OS https://osmc.tv/ it's foss o think
also someone on reddit just put this on a resperry pi and blackholed the mac addresss of the smart tv on his router
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 267d
They still do sampling/fingerprinting and shadow mesh networks to reach a connection.
Smart TV's should not be tolerated.
Reginald_T_Biter@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 267d
How does that work. That's horrifying.
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 267d
Data jumps from TV to TV (or just Samsung device to Samsung¹ device) til it finds one connected to WiFi that can get to the internet.
¹or whatever company
Reginald_T_Biter@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 267d
Absolutely filthy. Fuck I hate ads
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 267d
Stay angry. Trees have good memories, or something?
Reginald_T_Biter@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 267d
Someone screw up your prompt or what?
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 267d
Sorry I'll be more literal and less post-ironic next time.
BigDiction@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 268d
I’ve never done Business social in any serious capacity. Do platforms really not have an Enterprise feature to internally report who posted something?
m4xie@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 268d
Twitter fucked up the API after Musk bought it, but you could at least have employees copy posts into a spreadsheet.
I think this is fake, though. I don't have a Twitter amount, so I'm not going to check.
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 268d
Twitter used to, but disabled it.
MourningDove@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 268d