Makes me think of Cassius Clay, guy from the late 1800s who defended his home at the age of 89 with a pistol and a knife. And had a home defense cannon just because.
This is really only close to true statistically if you're under 4, thank fuck America isn't shooting many toddlers yet (but the number isn't zero). There are about 1200 deaths a year in domestic pools in the US and 46000 gun deaths.
A) you're way off...3500-4000 drown in the USA a year. We'll call that accidents.
B) accidental gun deaths per year are around 450-500...
You wanna do statics, do them right and stop making shit up. Your anti-gun propaganda you drink has always had to make shit up to get people to believe their crap. No having a firearm in your home is not magically more deadly than owning a pool. Period.
...3500-4000 drown in the USA a year. We'll call that accidents.
B) accidental gun deaths per year are around 450-500...
Yeesh. Another gun-clutcher.
Drowning deaths in America includes every kind of drowning death, and so lake and boating and surfing and oil rig and commercial fishing accidents pump that number up.
You wanna do statics, do them right and stop making shit up.
A) includes drownings in bathtubs an natural water (where majority of drownings happen)
B) so people who died to domestic violence or suicide are safe are they?
"You wanna do statics, do them right and stop making shit up."
Suicide isn't an accident and neither is domestic violence. You don't accidentally off yourself and you can't accidentally have domestic violence. You also can't suicide via water either...well not without a ton of work.
You're bullshit stat is about how having a gun magically makes you more likely to be a victim of gun violence, which is not correct.
Why do you keep talking about "magic" and "accidents". Just because you don't want deadly weapons to be a risk factor doesn't mean that they aren't. It's just a fact. And an obvious and intuitive one at that.
I'm not talking about swimming pools I'm talking about the risks of shooting your family while trying to protect them being larger then the infinitesimal chance that you might John Wick some home invaders and save the day.
I remember now that this BS comes from freakonomics. The irony of that bastion of "contrarian thought" is that so many people seem to have lost their ability to think critically while reading it.
Real big gravy seal energy (out of shape home defense) or tech bro (I’m prepared for a hypothetical end of the world and deluded myself I will live) energy.
Gun nuts are hilarious. Guy breaks into you house at 3am. Wait, let me go down to the basement gun cabinet..shit forgot the keys...ok, got the gun, loaded it, intruder didn't see or hear anything, wait...forgot the hearing protection so I don't go deaf after the first shot..
The don't show people going deaf on TV or using proper gun storage required by law.
Meanwhile me with a suppressed 300 blackout SBR AR simply tucked out of view in my room in a state with no storage laws and no kids who could find it: "Yee-fucking-haw, choke point is the stairs boys come on up."
Won't wake up the neighbors, might wake up the cats (but only because they'll wake up before I even shoot. Som'bitch is quiet but cats are cats and the break/entry will be loud enough before I even stand up.)
In your own home you dont really need a solid plan, you just need to be willing enough to really fuck up another human being. In the heat of the moment, quite a lot of us are inclined to show restraint and mercy where we would receive none.
That's why all these home invasion victims are getting gun charges. Then of course, police know home invasions are rarely not targeted because of some criminal activity.
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CubitOom@infosec.pub · 12 pts · 270d
I would literally die if someone did this to me
Rolder@reddthat.com · 7 pts · 270d
Makes me think of Cassius Clay, guy from the late 1800s who defended his home at the age of 89 with a pistol and a knife. And had a home defense cannon just because.
Aqarius@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 270d
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 270d
Nomorereddit@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 269d
Once a sheriff was sent to arrest clay in his 80s with 5 deputies.
Sheriff returned to judge and said he couldn't complete the arrest and wouldn't try again without 100 armed national guardsman.
Rolder@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 269d
Yep because clay used his home defense cannon to convince them to leave lmao
pepsi_not_coke@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 270d
Muhammad Ali wouldn't even need a pistol or knife to make me run away screaming.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 270d
I think Ali was named after the 1800s guy.
Rolder@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 270d
Correct
Triumph@fedia.io · 5 pts · 270d
Firearms are the great equalizer.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 18 pts · 270d
Yeah it equalizes your chances of killing your family by mistake to roughly the same as a home invader killing them.
Triumph@fedia.io · -9 pts · 270d
It's more dangerous to have a swimming pool.
JoeyHarrington@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 270d
Truth. The day my swimming pool started packing was the day I left home.
julietOscarEcho@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 270d
This is really only close to true statistically if you're under 4, thank fuck America isn't shooting many toddlers yet (but the number isn't zero). There are about 1200 deaths a year in domestic pools in the US and 46000 gun deaths.
SupraMario@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 270d
A) you're way off...3500-4000 drown in the USA a year. We'll call that accidents.
B) accidental gun deaths per year are around 450-500...
You wanna do statics, do them right and stop making shit up. Your anti-gun propaganda you drink has always had to make shit up to get people to believe their crap. No having a firearm in your home is not magically more deadly than owning a pool. Period.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 270d
Yeesh. Another gun-clutcher.
Drowning deaths in America includes every kind of drowning death, and so lake and boating and surfing and oil rig and commercial fishing accidents pump that number up.
Hypocrisy is fun. And the word is statistics.
SupraMario@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 269d
Yesh another anti gun nut who thinks that we should disarm ourselves while we have fascist in power...
See my other comment as well to your other points.
julietOscarEcho@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 269d
OK rambo, how many fascists have you shot so far...
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 270d
The fun thing about statistics is they dont apply to single individuals.
julietOscarEcho@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 270d
A) includes drownings in bathtubs an natural water (where majority of drownings happen) B) so people who died to domestic violence or suicide are safe are they?
"You wanna do statics, do them right and stop making shit up."
Source for majority of drowning deaths non-pool related: https://www.statista.com/chart/34873/rates-of-unintentional-drowning-deaths-and-drowning-locations/?srsltid=AfmBOoreeroH378wf2OA0D3nU9ZbuMfzFgmO1VcicvcFUwRF2G1scUA_
Source for actual total gun deaths, because danger doesn't just mean accidents: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/03/05/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-us/
SupraMario@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 269d
Suicide isn't an accident and neither is domestic violence. You don't accidentally off yourself and you can't accidentally have domestic violence. You also can't suicide via water either...well not without a ton of work.
You're bullshit stat is about how having a gun magically makes you more likely to be a victim of gun violence, which is not correct.
julietOscarEcho@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 269d
https://academic.oup.com/aje/article-abstract/160/10/929/140858
Why do you keep talking about "magic" and "accidents". Just because you don't want deadly weapons to be a risk factor doesn't mean that they aren't. It's just a fact. And an obvious and intuitive one at that.
Triumph@fedia.io · -1 pts · 270d
https://poolfence.com/are-guns-more-dangerous-than-your-pool/
julietOscarEcho@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 270d
Yeah, obviously a company that sells pool safety products wants to emphasise pool safety (and I'm not trying to say pools aren't dangerous BTW)
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 269d
The risks of shooting your family with a swimming pool are amazingly small though.
Triumph@fedia.io · 1 pts · 269d
I drown by gunfire every day.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 3 pts · 270d
I'm not talking about swimming pools I'm talking about the risks of shooting your family while trying to protect them being larger then the infinitesimal chance that you might John Wick some home invaders and save the day.
Valmond@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 270d
It's more dangerous to be moron.
julietOscarEcho@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 269d
I remember now that this BS comes from freakonomics. The irony of that bastion of "contrarian thought" is that so many people seem to have lost their ability to think critically while reading it.
SharkWeek@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 270d
Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 269d
The plan: shoot first.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 269d
See Peter Khill.
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 3 pts · 269d
Real big gravy seal energy (out of shape home defense) or tech bro (I’m prepared for a hypothetical end of the world and deluded myself I will live) energy.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 269d
The plan: Gun.
Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 269d
Attrition via bullets.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 269d
Homeowner: Entrenched with lord knows how much ammo, as much as they can store, and knows their house's layout and choke points.
Attacker(s): Only brought what they can carry. Likely 1-2 mags each. Fog of war in an unknown house.
Place your bets now ladies and gentlemen.
LyingCake@feddit.org · 1 pts · 269d
Okay cowboy
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 269d
Yippie ki-yay.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 269d
Gun nuts are hilarious. Guy breaks into you house at 3am. Wait, let me go down to the basement gun cabinet..shit forgot the keys...ok, got the gun, loaded it, intruder didn't see or hear anything, wait...forgot the hearing protection so I don't go deaf after the first shot..
The don't show people going deaf on TV or using proper gun storage required by law.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 268d
Meanwhile me with a suppressed 300 blackout SBR AR simply tucked out of view in my room in a state with no storage laws and no kids who could find it: "Yee-fucking-haw, choke point is the stairs boys come on up."
Won't wake up the neighbors, might wake up the cats (but only because they'll wake up before I even shoot. Som'bitch is quiet but cats are cats and the break/entry will be loud enough before I even stand up.)
yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 268d
In your own home you dont really need a solid plan, you just need to be willing enough to really fuck up another human being. In the heat of the moment, quite a lot of us are inclined to show restraint and mercy where we would receive none.
GLOOMSDAY@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 269d
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 269d
That's why all these home invasion victims are getting gun charges. Then of course, police know home invasions are rarely not targeted because of some criminal activity.