Yeah, because they all got crushed after their democratically elected leaders got removed and often killed or imprisoned during the entire Cold War. Also leftists are starting to win elections again quite regularly in South America, so I’m starting to think you just don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.
I’m sorry but this annoys the shit out of me when people in white imperialist countries say this shit. Leftists have won elections in so many countries but the Americanized idea that you can’t be left of liberal if you want to win elections in a moronic party system that has only been imposed and perpetuated by THIS EXACT LINE OF THINKING is frustrating as fuck for those of us who don’t live there.
Not true historically, just recently in the US. But it’s also hard for a leftist to vote left when there’s literally no leftist party. One might say, by definition, impossible.
Winning elections by itself doesn’t defeat fascism. Most of the countries that won by elections during the Cold War had their leaders deposed and had fascists installed because they were helpful to US interests. That is the entire point of this post. Just voting doesnt do fuck all to stop fascism.
Right, so after voting doesn’t work, and a fascist state is installed, you just allow fascism to take hold until the next time you get to vote? If you do?
Also I can’t think of a single time that fascism has won a legitimate democratic election. But feel free to enlighten me and I’ll get back to you about it tomorrow. Maybe I’m wrong.
Do they win elections though? When they do nothing with that win other than shift further to the right and lock in right wing policy with their ratchet effect, it's not a win but a capitulation
You say that as if voters have any impact on policies. Propaganda has convinced them there are only 2 options so they pick the one they think is left wing.
If you're in favour of radical changes and militant resistance, leftist might be a better label than liberal. Among srs leftists liberal doesn't have the same meaning that it does in American corporate media.
And who decides who gets shot? And how do you prevent people from using this to settle personal scores? And how is that not going to end in a worse system than what you started with?
You shoot every billionaire and anyone who values profits over human beings (judging them based on their actions, not their words). This includes investors that try to drive the rich assholes into being even worse to their employees than they already are.
When they're perpetuating violence actively and readily, the only response is violence through defense. But you seem to be coming here with a both sides view of things. Insert meme of a liberal thinking egalitarianism and genocide are the same thing.
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Rooty@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 251d
Smugposting about other leftists lefting wrong is the way to go obvs.
Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 20 pts · 251d
Liberals are not leftists.
UsernameHere@lemmy.world · -14 pts · 251d
Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 9 pts · 251d
EVEN IN YOUR OWN FUCKING COUNTRY a self styled socialist just won an election in New York City. Honestly man? You’re just plain ass wrong.
K1nsey6@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 251d
Democratic socialist, not even close to being the same thing
UsernameHere@lemmy.world · -13 pts · 251d
I’m from China
Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 7 pts · 251d
Well good for you, you’re still ridiculously wrong.
UsernameHere@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 251d
Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 7 pts · 251d
Yeah, because they all got crushed after their democratically elected leaders got removed and often killed or imprisoned during the entire Cold War. Also leftists are starting to win elections again quite regularly in South America, so I’m starting to think you just don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.
K1nsey6@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 251d
They didn't win elections because dumb ass liberals think their shade of fascism will save them
Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 251d
I’m sorry but this annoys the shit out of me when people in white imperialist countries say this shit. Leftists have won elections in so many countries but the Americanized idea that you can’t be left of liberal if you want to win elections in a moronic party system that has only been imposed and perpetuated by THIS EXACT LINE OF THINKING is frustrating as fuck for those of us who don’t live there.
UsernameHere@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 251d
Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 251d
Not true historically, just recently in the US. But it’s also hard for a leftist to vote left when there’s literally no leftist party. One might say, by definition, impossible.
UsernameHere@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 251d
Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 6 pts · 251d
You don’t understand how the American party system works my friend.
Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 250d
Yet they're always the first to blame when libs lose elections.
Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 251d
In the USA. There are other countries. Like at least ten.
UsernameHere@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 251d
Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 4 pts · 251d
Winning elections by itself doesn’t defeat fascism. Most of the countries that won by elections during the Cold War had their leaders deposed and had fascists installed because they were helpful to US interests. That is the entire point of this post. Just voting doesnt do fuck all to stop fascism.
UsernameHere@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 251d
Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 4 pts · 251d
Right, so after voting doesn’t work, and a fascist state is installed, you just allow fascism to take hold until the next time you get to vote? If you do?
Also I can’t think of a single time that fascism has won a legitimate democratic election. But feel free to enlighten me and I’ll get back to you about it tomorrow. Maybe I’m wrong.
K1nsey6@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 251d
When the 2 choices provided are blue fascist or red fascist the choice will always be fascism
anticolonialist@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 250d
Do they win elections though? When they do nothing with that win other than shift further to the right and lock in right wing policy with their ratchet effect, it's not a win but a capitulation
UsernameHere@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 250d
anticolonialist@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 250d
You say that as if voters have any impact on policies. Propaganda has convinced them there are only 2 options so they pick the one they think is left wing.
Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 6 pts · 251d
Let’s not resort to racism! All liberals are fucking like this.
Bee_R@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 251d
Not saying you're right or wrong, but this attitude sounds like fanaticism.
daannii@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 251d
I'm a white liberal and I think civil disobedience, violence against officials/ice, and revolution work.
Surely most people have realized by now the Democratic officials (most, anyway) are actually Republicans.
They won't help us.
Poll approval numbers seem to indicate most Americans are aware of this.
Many are ramping up to take matters into their own hands if the legal way continues to not be used appropriately to fix the issue.
yakko@feddit.uk · 11 pts · 251d
If you're in favour of radical changes and militant resistance, leftist might be a better label than liberal. Among srs leftists liberal doesn't have the same meaning that it does in American corporate media.
Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 251d
This exactly.
puchaczyk@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 251d
I wish it was possible to try to vote away fascists and do direct action at the same time. Sadly we live in a binary, do one thing at a time world...
Octagon9561@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 250d
The down vote ratio shows you the amount of brainrot there is
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 251d
So how else is it going to work? Do you think violent authoritarianism is a solution to overcome violent authoritarianism?
Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 250d
A bullet through the head of every fascist, red or blue, now until the end of time will do the trick. No compromises or letting them squirm away.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 250d
And who decides who gets shot? And how do you prevent people from using this to settle personal scores? And how is that not going to end in a worse system than what you started with?
Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 250d
You shoot every billionaire and anyone who values profits over human beings (judging them based on their actions, not their words). This includes investors that try to drive the rich assholes into being even worse to their employees than they already are.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 248d
So, murdering people based on vibes. Yeah, figures.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 248d
When they're perpetuating violence actively and readily, the only response is violence through defense. But you seem to be coming here with a both sides view of things. Insert meme of a liberal thinking egalitarianism and genocide are the same thing.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 243d
people use the current mechanisms of society to settle personal scores. why do you think it can be prevented, or is necessary to have a revolution?
essell@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 251d
You gotta escalate, really put some effort into your memes.