There was a time when China outpaced the US on LGBTQIA+ rights (China decriminalized being gay before the US and most other western nations did), but progress stalled and the US caught up and then overtook them with the legalization of gay marriage.
Not in the villages tho, no, you'd get disowned. People who lives in, or have lived in, cities are probably more open minded.
I think the problem is not really "gay is sin", but more like "what about my grandchildren", know what I mean? Culturally, bloodlines are important. I mean, they literally have a whole geneology book tradition. I have one dating back to the 1200s (male ancestors only).
From what I know, its way more acceptable than... say Russia. Russia is just like next-level of fucked up. Seriously, as much I dislike CCP, I'd rather let PRC win than Russian Federation, the Kremlin is just so much worse.
TLDR for LGBT in terms of how people treat you is, from best to worst: Blue Cities in Blue States in the US > Tier 1 Cities in China > Red Cities in Red States in the US
In terms of government... well you just don't protest about it and kinda keep it low-key, you don't make a scene, you just keep quiet about it. You won't have any anti-discrimination laws if someone does find out and discriminate based on that.
If your ancestry is rural, your family is probably gonna disown you, but I doubt you'll get lynched, but your village will gossip about you, I overhear a lot of gossip when my parents talk on the phone.
Being Gay is more acceptable than being Trans. If I, hypothetically told my mom I want to be a girl, she'd call me a “變態” try to get me hospitalized because "I got poisoned by western ideology". But if I say I "have a boyfriend", then my mom is gonna laugh at me and then be like: "what about my grandchildren, you are gonna actually eventually take this seriously and find a real partner right?" and she'd assume I just found a friend that I got very close to, like as a brother or something.
So its really just Christian Religion vs Filial Piety/Confucism. Is there even a place without either? Maybe someone need to build a island somewhere without outdated conservative ideologies?
LGBT held some very short lived freedoms in the USSR, along with women and minorities in general, compared to the rest of the world, but it was all downhill from there.
Sometimes you have to show your friends how much you love them by holding hands and kissing them on the cheek. Then buying a house together, having kids together, and living together until your last breath ❤️
This week on Escape to the Country: Yuri and Lao are lifelong friends looking to move out of their Soho flat and buy a house together in the Cotswolds. Their budget is £800,000.
Nah it's more of a weird side effect of how they tend to see masculinity. It's basically the inevitable end result of them hating feminity and forcing gender conformity that they end up being weirdly gay.
This is what being gay should be broadly accepted, so straight people stop accidentally appropriating gay experiences. And maybe also equality, but mostly the other one
Pinning the cause of grand movements to vague, minor issues has been a common joke for at least the 50 years of comedy that I’ve been aware of, but particularly after black comedians came to the forefront from the 80s* forward.
It’s sardonic and pained and disappointed absurdism for the sake of undercutting the anguish that is the reality of the situation. A few very powerful people creating outgroups to ostracize and to steal from.
You’re good. Not everyone knows everything at all times, and you asked with curiosity in your heart, so I explained to the best of my ability the why and the what.
It's an art "form"(?) of itself, the URSS(CCCP/Soviet/USSR) art of the future. Bright colors, mostly red, strong people looking at the horison, light art deco style, etc.
Very nice if you can forget about the gulags and all that. It even spawned a sort of belief, or nostalgia. A nostalgia for what was to come (but never did).
In germany they call it ostalgia IIRC. Nostalgia for the East I guess.
I like it too, even if I know it wad all propaganda. Maybe it's time to "take back" that art movement. Everyone do look so happy!
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velindora@lemmy.cafe · 37 pts · 288d
Too bad homosexuals were never welcome
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 288d
Seems like LGBTQIA+ folks are more and more welcome in countries like China, at least in areas like Chengdu, than they have been in the past
EchoCT@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 288d
More than ever is still not a lot. While it's moving in the right direction, there is still a large amount of cultural reactionary pushback.
Schmoo@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 288d
There was a time when China outpaced the US on LGBTQIA+ rights (China decriminalized being gay before the US and most other western nations did), but progress stalled and the US caught up and then overtook them with the legalization of gay marriage.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 288d
Glad to see this sober treatment of reality from .ML
Ininewcrow@piefed.ca · 3 pts · 288d
Give it another generation or two ... we have to wait for the old guard to die off before mentalities can really change.
velindora@lemmy.cafe · 6 pts · 288d
+1% support is more than before, yeah. It’s still illegal to marry. And please, no whataboutism
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 287d
China... eh... sort of...
Not in the villages tho, no, you'd get disowned. People who lives in, or have lived in, cities are probably more open minded.
I think the problem is not really "gay is sin", but more like "what about my grandchildren", know what I mean? Culturally, bloodlines are important. I mean, they literally have a whole geneology book tradition. I have one dating back to the 1200s (male ancestors only).
From what I know, its way more acceptable than... say Russia. Russia is just like next-level of fucked up. Seriously, as much I dislike CCP, I'd rather let PRC win than Russian Federation, the Kremlin is just so much worse.
TLDR for LGBT in terms of how people treat you is, from best to worst: Blue Cities in Blue States in the US > Tier 1 Cities in China > Red Cities in Red States in the US
In terms of government... well you just don't protest about it and kinda keep it low-key, you don't make a scene, you just keep quiet about it. You won't have any anti-discrimination laws if someone does find out and discriminate based on that.
If your ancestry is rural, your family is probably gonna disown you, but I doubt you'll get lynched, but your village will gossip about you, I overhear a lot of gossip when my parents talk on the phone.
Being Gay is more acceptable than being Trans. If I, hypothetically told my mom I want to be a girl, she'd call me a “變態” try to get me hospitalized because "I got poisoned by western ideology". But if I say I "have a boyfriend", then my mom is gonna laugh at me and then be like: "what about my grandchildren, you are gonna actually eventually take this seriously and find a real partner right?" and she'd assume I just found a friend that I got very close to, like as a brother or something.
So its really just Christian Religion vs Filial Piety/Confucism. Is there even a place without either? Maybe someone need to build a island somewhere without outdated conservative ideologies?
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 288d
LGBT held some very short lived freedoms in the USSR, along with women and minorities in general, compared to the rest of the world, but it was all downhill from there.
velindora@lemmy.cafe · 6 pts · 288d
USA is gonna mirror that. ~10 years of same sex marriage and then total collapse of the country haha
dumbass@piefed.social · 22 pts · 288d
Most propaganda from that era was extremely homoerotic.
Wahots@pawb.social · 20 pts · 288d
Sometimes you have to show your friends how much you love them by holding hands and kissing them on the cheek. Then buying a house together, having kids together, and living together until your last breath ❤️
ValiantDust@feddit.org · 9 pts · 288d
On the cheek? A socialist fraternal kiss is full on the mouth.
tpyo@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 288d
Like this:
Which lead to one of the most famous pieces of Berlin Wall graffiti:
(From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_God,_Help_Me_to_Survive_This_Deadly_Love)
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 20 pts · 288d
This week on Escape to the Country: Yuri and Lao are lifelong friends looking to move out of their Soho flat and buy a house together in the Cotswolds. Their budget is £800,000.
Justas@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 288d
It's called Homoerotic Ambiguity and is even more common in fascist propaganda.
teslasaur@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 288d
Am I back in the 2000's again where the answer to every man+man interaction was "gaaaay"?
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 288d
Nah it's more of a weird side effect of how they tend to see masculinity. It's basically the inevitable end result of them hating feminity and forcing gender conformity that they end up being weirdly gay.
ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 288d
imagine being so entrenched in toxic masculinity that you see all male affection as homoerotic…
Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 288d
This is what being gay should be broadly accepted, so straight people stop accidentally appropriating gay experiences. And maybe also equality, but mostly the other one
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 288d
This confuses me. I agree with you that the lbgtqia+ community should be more accepted, but I don't understand what point you're trying to convey.
Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 288d
Pinning the cause of grand movements to vague, minor issues has been a common joke for at least the 50 years of comedy that I’ve been aware of, but particularly after black comedians came to the forefront from the 80s* forward.
It’s sardonic and pained and disappointed absurdism for the sake of undercutting the anguish that is the reality of the situation. A few very powerful people creating outgroups to ostracize and to steal from.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 288d
Thank you for explaining it to my dumb ass.
Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 288d
You’re good. Not everyone knows everything at all times, and you asked with curiosity in your heart, so I explained to the best of my ability the why and the what.
You’ve done everything right, from my perspective
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 288d
Thanks for selling me on your instance.
Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 288d
That’s one of the sweetest compliments I’ve ever received on here. Thank you
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 287d
That picture is cute AF!
vateso5074@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 288d
nesc@lemmy.cafe · 3 pts · 288d
It's not subtle in any way, soviet union was continuation of rssian empire, placing rssians at the center was part of propaganda effort.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 288d
I don't like their propoganda no matter how homoerotic it is. They were horrible people.
Valmond@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 288d
It's an art "form"(?) of itself, the URSS(CCCP/Soviet/USSR) art of the future. Bright colors, mostly red, strong people looking at the horison, light art deco style, etc.
Very nice if you can forget about the gulags and all that. It even spawned a sort of belief, or nostalgia. A nostalgia for what was to come (but never did).
In germany they call it ostalgia IIRC. Nostalgia for the East I guess.
I like it too, even if I know it wad all propaganda. Maybe it's time to "take back" that art movement. Everyone do look so happy!
/Old mans rant off
tpyo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 288d
One of my favorite monuments from that era is dedicated to Yuri Gagarin:
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 2 pts · 288d
And then one died, leaving the other to become bitter and greedy, until they get reminded of the spirit of Festivus by WW3
reddit_sux@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 288d
How to enrage both west and communist states at the same time.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 288d
We should all be so lucky.
Random thought; this kinda reminds me of the Tyler Childers' song "I'll wait for you".
Mika@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 288d