I'm on the "it's all until it's regular practice for cops to arrest their peers and leaders for breaking laws" side. Like, yeah, there are probably some who want to "change the system" or are "just keeping their head down and providing for their community" which are both noble aspirations.. but they need full scale follow through or it's just copwashing.
I don’t like lumping in the individual with the group. I hate blanket statements. All they do is enforce the „us vs them“ mentality that, in my opinion, is a big part of the problem in the first place.
But I also have the privilege of living in a country with a fairly well trained and regulated police force (Germany). I know it’s not perfect but it’s also not terrible.
Most individual cops I‘ve met do their job for the right reasons.
I'm not a fan of lumping either, but it is literally in their job that they should be holding their peers accountable the same as every other person. They don't, so even if they're the individual cop doing it for the right reasons, they still have a burden of duty that they are shirking. Thus, in the lump they go.
The way I’ve argued it is that not all people who work as police are bastards. Some may be good people outside of work. The moment they put on that badge and willfully become part of an oppressive system, they are bastards.
Yeah. It’s got holes-a-plenty, but it brings people into the conversation without throwing a totally blanket statement.
Not speaking up or pushing against policies and such that target specific groups of people because that's the way we've always done it makes you a bastard still. We all know there's probably one or two good cops per department/precinct that truly wish and do help people when they can. But they're silenced for the sake of their job speaking out against the mistreatments and policies.
Oh I WHOLLY agree. I just find the willingness to concede that some may be good people under it makes people open to the conversation. Then you logic them into a corner and help the see that all cops ARE in fact bastards.
Same here. You don’t really get flexibility, if the law says it’s illegal to be Jewish or whatever, as a LEO you have to enforce that law regardless of your personal belief. You become the armed grunt for that system. Same with those who join the military.
Where is that video of the Chinese cop tearing milk company managers a new one for calling the police in response to workers staging a sit in as part of a labor dispute?
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PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org · 30 pts · 243d
Strictly speaking, this image is grayscale, not black and white.
ms_lane@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 243d
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org · 3 pts · 243d
Based
Zachariah@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 243d
those who know
Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 243d
I'm on the "it's all until it's regular practice for cops to arrest their peers and leaders for breaking laws" side. Like, yeah, there are probably some who want to "change the system" or are "just keeping their head down and providing for their community" which are both noble aspirations.. but they need full scale follow through or it's just copwashing.
accideath@feddit.org · 5 pts · 243d
I don’t like lumping in the individual with the group. I hate blanket statements. All they do is enforce the „us vs them“ mentality that, in my opinion, is a big part of the problem in the first place.
But I also have the privilege of living in a country with a fairly well trained and regulated police force (Germany). I know it’s not perfect but it’s also not terrible.
Most individual cops I‘ve met do their job for the right reasons.
alternategait@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 242d
Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 243d
I'm not a fan of lumping either, but it is literally in their job that they should be holding their peers accountable the same as every other person. They don't, so even if they're the individual cop doing it for the right reasons, they still have a burden of duty that they are shirking. Thus, in the lump they go.
HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 243d
How ACAB works (for nerds):
Venat0r@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 243d
file transfer protocol.
lemmy_acct_id_8647@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 242d
The way I’ve argued it is that not all people who work as police are bastards. Some may be good people outside of work. The moment they put on that badge and willfully become part of an oppressive system, they are bastards.
Yeah. It’s got holes-a-plenty, but it brings people into the conversation without throwing a totally blanket statement.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 242d
Not speaking up or pushing against policies and such that target specific groups of people because that's the way we've always done it makes you a bastard still. We all know there's probably one or two good cops per department/precinct that truly wish and do help people when they can. But they're silenced for the sake of their job speaking out against the mistreatments and policies.
lemmy_acct_id_8647@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d
Oh I WHOLLY agree. I just find the willingness to concede that some may be good people under it makes people open to the conversation. Then you logic them into a corner and help the see that all cops ARE in fact bastards.
ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 242d
Same here. You don’t really get flexibility, if the law says it’s illegal to be Jewish or whatever, as a LEO you have to enforce that law regardless of your personal belief. You become the armed grunt for that system. Same with those who join the military.
handsoffmydata@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 242d
I can’t determine if the picture being various shades of gray was intentional or not.
Obnomus@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 242d
I need context
hamid@crazypeople.online · 2 pts · 242d
The context is all cops are bastards. Fuck cops, they are all part of a corrupt system of violence to protect capital.
Obnomus@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 242d
Yes, I agree with that
OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 242d
Where is that video of the Chinese cop tearing milk company managers a new one for calling the police in response to workers staging a sit in as part of a labor dispute?
Saapas@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 242d
I've sometimes seen people making exceptions for countries they like. China being a prominent example