Groups like Azov have been folded in officially. The Kiev regime upholds Stepan Bandera and uses likeness for propaganda. Nazis infest Ukrainian leadership:
The east supported Yanukovych, and that's why the far-right Banderites couping him kicked off the war.
Wait so Ukraine is bad too? Is one worse than the other??? What am I meant to think anymore????? Politics makes me feel like a Ping Pong Ball I hate it.
If you try to analyze politics in moral framing like "good vs evil," then you'll always be caught off guard. The people of Ukraine are largely not representative of the Banderite regime, in fact there are many deserters. There are citizens that uphold the Banderites, but it's not an overwhelming number like 80-90%. Generally, Marxists tend to critically support the Russian Federation over Kiev due to protecting the people of Donetsk and Luhansk, and because Kiev is being wielded like a hammer against Russia by the west in order to weaken both into opening up their markets for foreign plunder (like in the 90s).
I think we both misunderstand each other, because your previous comment read like "If people dont like it, it has to be Russian propaganda" and I understood it the way that you meant it is not Russian propaganda.
Also I am on mobile and why should I take the time to read that shit? Whenever I see "Ukraine = nazis" its clear To me that its Propaganda shit.
Yeah i am lazy to proof people that they post bullshit online... Relevant xkcd
Not believing and having a discussion about misunderstanding are two different things ;)
Like I already said, you dont get what I am trying to say and I am okay with that, cause english is not my main language and there is no need to discuss with somebody who just use some phrases instead of trying to get on the same page to understand each other.
This one is a good example for a good discussion and showing somebody where they went wrong.
I mean I still can't believe it, but i cannot deny facts if they are shown of properly.
So if a country has far right parties and groups you invade the country and bomb civilian and critical infrastructure. That is collective punishment and should never be used.
So its chill to put far right parties that integrate fascist militias into their military into power and knowingly use the country as a proxy in order to maximize profits for the military industrial complex? And then get upset that another regional power that has been voicing their concern for two decades decides to do intervene militarily? That is imperialist and should never have happened in the first place.
Not what I said, but you can't just disregard the current suffering and loss of innocent created by this conflict. Doesn't look like an ideal solution, wouldn't you agree.
Generally I agree, but this is war and real Politik kicks in. Thank the western leaders that provoked this to increase the MIC shareholder value. Also comparing this to Irak, or the western backed genocide in Palestine it's mild in comparison. It should definitely stop, but that depends if Zelensly is willing to give into Russias peace proposal
Did you bother reading any of the headlines before you started spinning or do you want to tell everyone what nazi the US has designated a national holiday for?
Either way the answer is yes the US is a nazi country
I didn't said I dont like it. I said that if you shoe me a stupid collab picture, give me clear sources.
Being sceptical is healthy .
Getting facts like this comment shows is also a better way.
41 Comments
Ledivin@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 220d
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 220d
Western media and observable reality are now Russian propaganda
Lol its so clear that "Russian propaganda" just means "something i don't like" to you people.
FuyuhikoDate@feddit.org · -11 pts · 220d
Gimme one reliable source of the pic above... I never saw any "Ukraine + nazis = friends" shit outside of russian propaganda media.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 220d
Politico, the Atlantic Council, BBC, Haaretz, etc are shown.
From davel's compilation, again:
Groups like Azov have been folded in officially. The Kiev regime upholds Stepan Bandera and uses likeness for propaganda. Nazis infest Ukrainian leadership:
The east supported Yanukovych, and that's why the far-right Banderites couping him kicked off the war.
FuyuhikoDate@feddit.org · 6 pts · 219d
Gonna check that out later. Thanks for the links and material :)
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 219d
No problem!
KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 219d
If you want to find more just use Google advances search for "Ukraine far right" and use a time filter to show results pre 2022
FuyuhikoDate@feddit.org · 4 pts · 218d
Thank you too mate. thats a good way to help somebody to find his mistakes in his errors / wrong thoughts :)
KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 218d
We've all been there and it's quite the rabbit hole :)
Geodes_n_Gems@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 218d
Wait so Ukraine is bad too? Is one worse than the other??? What am I meant to think anymore????? Politics makes me feel like a Ping Pong Ball I hate it.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 218d
If you try to analyze politics in moral framing like "good vs evil," then you'll always be caught off guard. The people of Ukraine are largely not representative of the Banderite regime, in fact there are many deserters. There are citizens that uphold the Banderites, but it's not an overwhelming number like 80-90%. Generally, Marxists tend to critically support the Russian Federation over Kiev due to protecting the people of Donetsk and Luhansk, and because Kiev is being wielded like a hammer against Russia by the west in order to weaken both into opening up their markets for foreign plunder (like in the 90s).
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 220d
Zoom in the the pic lol. Atlantic Council, politico, freedom house...all totally Russian outlets
Fuckin lazy
FuyuhikoDate@feddit.org · -8 pts · 219d
I think we both misunderstand each other, because your previous comment read like "If people dont like it, it has to be Russian propaganda" and I understood it the way that you meant it is not Russian propaganda.
Also I am on mobile and why should I take the time to read that shit? Whenever I see "Ukraine = nazis" its clear To me that its Propaganda shit.
Yeah i am lazy to proof people that they post bullshit online... Relevant xkcd
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 219d
"I don't want to believe it, therefore its propaganda bullshit"
Jackoff motion
FuyuhikoDate@feddit.org · -2 pts · 218d
Not believing and having a discussion about misunderstanding are two different things ;)
Like I already said, you dont get what I am trying to say and I am okay with that, cause english is not my main language and there is no need to discuss with somebody who just use some phrases instead of trying to get on the same page to understand each other.
Take this comment for example: https://lemmy.ml/comment/23035625
This one is a good example for a good discussion and showing somebody where they went wrong. I mean I still can't believe it, but i cannot deny facts if they are shown of properly.
bubblybubbles@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 220d
Fashlib trolling from lemmy.world?!? Say it ain't so!
Mangoholic@lemmy.ml · -5 pts · 219d
So if a country has far right parties and groups you invade the country and bomb civilian and critical infrastructure. That is collective punishment and should never be used.
KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 219d
So its chill to put far right parties that integrate fascist militias into their military into power and knowingly use the country as a proxy in order to maximize profits for the military industrial complex? And then get upset that another regional power that has been voicing their concern for two decades decides to do intervene militarily? That is imperialist and should never have happened in the first place.
Mangoholic@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 218d
Not what I said, but you can't just disregard the current suffering and loss of innocent created by this conflict. Doesn't look like an ideal solution, wouldn't you agree.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 218d
If that was intervention to 'free Donbas' it would stop at Donbas and would not include city and civilian infrastructure bombing, would it now?
KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 218d
Generally I agree, but this is war and real Politik kicks in. Thank the western leaders that provoked this to increase the MIC shareholder value. Also comparing this to Irak, or the western backed genocide in Palestine it's mild in comparison. It should definitely stop, but that depends if Zelensly is willing to give into Russias peace proposal
Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip · -6 pts · 218d
There were similar headlines about Americans at the time... and currently... does that make America a nazi country?
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 20 pts · 218d
Easiest "yes" I've ever yessed
Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip · -6 pts · 218d
AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 218d
Did you bother reading any of the headlines before you started spinning or do you want to tell everyone what nazi the US has designated a national holiday for?
Either way the answer is yes the US is a nazi country
Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip · -5 pts · 218d
AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 218d
Clarence Thomas is black
FuyuhikoDate@feddit.org · -8 pts · 220d
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 19 pts · 220d
Politico, the Atlantic Councill, BBC, etc are shown. Articles for some of these and others linked here.
anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml · 19 pts · 220d
FuyuhikoDate@feddit.org · -12 pts · 219d
Forgot to add the word reliable... I am on mobile sorry... Also why should I zoom into fake news?
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 219d
They're major western media outlets dumbass
FuyuhikoDate@feddit.org · -12 pts · 219d
In a time of ai, every picture can be a fake dumbass :P
One Person was so Kind and already posted the links.
And yeah posting pic a without sources has some serious "covid isn't real, look at all these reliable pictures I have" dumbass ;)
Edit: if you take your time to offend some strangers on the internet while you try to prove your point, you should be better prepared than that.
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 219d
Lol there it is, if I don't like the source it must be ai. The final frontier in denying what's right in front of your face
FuyuhikoDate@feddit.org · -2 pts · 218d
I didn't said I dont like it. I said that if you shoe me a stupid collab picture, give me clear sources. Being sceptical is healthy . Getting facts like this comment shows is also a better way.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/23035625
Backs up their claims, showing me that the images are not some random Photoshop / ai bullshit.
Or did you forgot all the assholes out there who said "covid isn't real" and just showed some stupid images which they stated as a a fact?
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 218d
Search the headlines then, lazy boy. Stop demanding to be spoonfed everything like a baby
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 219d
Cope
FuyuhikoDate@feddit.org · -4 pts · 218d
https://lemmy.ml/comment/23035625
Good example to show people the right way why and how they are wrong ;)
AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 218d
disgusting entitlement towards being treated with good faith while being a scumbag piece of shit bad faith troll themselves
should catch a ban
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 218d
You're welcome!