Kumail Nanjiani was asked in an interview if he's been getting more attention from women since bulking up. He said something along the lines of "it's mostly been a lot of attention from straight guys too be honest."
It's not a contradiction, although I also thought that for a bit. I think withă"a [b]" că, "a [b]" is describing the artists' sexual orientation, not the subject of the drawing.
Afaik, Anne Rice was not trans. Many women identify with gay men in my experience. Her writing was very typical of women writing men.
Her writing doesnât represent the bara-type content shown in the second panel of the post, and to that point, your counterpoint is to the graphic in the post rather than to me.
The picture in âgay mens yaoiâ is characteristic of bara, for which there is already a term. I was just pointing that out. I wasnât picking a fight.
I read some of her vampire books when I was young teenager and getting into gothy stuff and every single one that I picked up had multiple and extensively detailed csa scenes with children who adored their abusers.
I gave up trying to read her books when I realised this was a recurring theme.
Is it? I've always heard that it's ă€ăăȘăăȘăăȘăæćłăȘă, "no climax, punch, or meaning", which I think is just based on early criticism about it mostly being flagrant homosexual sex, rather than having much plot to it?
This isnât a hill Iâm willing to die on, but here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bara_(genre):
Bara is distinct from yaoi, a genre of Japanese media focusing on homoerotic relationships between male characters that historically has been created by and for women.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys%27_love:
The term yaoi (/ËjaÊi/ â YAH-oi; Japanese: ăăă [jaêo.i]) emerged as a name for the genre in the late 1970s and early 1980s in the context of dĆjinshi (self-published works) culture as a portmanteau of yama nashi, ochi nashi, imi nashi("no climax, no point, no meaning"), where it was used in a self-deprecating manner to refer to amateur fan works that focused on sex to the exclusion of plot and character development, and that often parodied mainstream manga and anime by depicting male characters from popular series in sexual scenarios. "Boys' love" was later adopted by Japanese publications in the 1990s as an umbrella term for maleâmale romance media marketed to women.
I should've quoted, I was mostly wondering about the "part of the definition" as I've only heard of it being, well the portmanteau. To be fair I've mostly ever heard if called BL in a modern context so that makes sense to me.
Okay, hang on, lesbian yaoi sounds like an oxymoron.
Is it common for lesbians to like yaoi? I guess if youâre not sex repulsed by men and enjoy romance in general then youâre probably fine reading stories about mlm romance, but to seek out mlm stories specifically when youâre interested in women seems curious to me.
Who I want to fuck doesnât necessarily overlap with who I want to read stories about. Iâm happy to read about or even watch sex acts Iâd never want to actually participate in.
As someone who Identifies as aro/ace and pan (i.e. not interested in having sex or intimate relationships, but still attracted to folk), I cannot upvote this enough.
Getting off to something is very, very different from actually wanting to participate in it irl.
I think it'd be really weird to need to be able to get off to every character/story you read about. As a gay dude, that'd be a struggle on account of all the hetero characters in all the media. I feel like most of the time I read something that has non-hetero characters in it, they're mostly lesbians, or bisexual.
Completely off-topic, but I've seen your handle a few times now and it makes me happy every time.
Haven't read yaoi myself either, so I wouldn't know, but that's basically what yaoi means.
ăă€ăăȘăăȘăăȘăæćłăȘăă, "no climax, point, or meaning."
Fascinating, Iâm fine reading or watching stories with characters/romance that don't align with my sexual preferences, but I guess I typically donât like watching sex-scenes in general even if it is with people Iâd be attracted to.
Definitely related to me being on the asexuality spectrum, but im not a fan of sex scenes in shows because Iâm not watching the show for porn I wanted a story lol
Anyway, you sound like you might be in the former group I mentioned where you donât feel sex repulsed by individuals you arenât sexually attracted to, and you just enjoy the romance/story in general.
Do you have a preference specifically for stories about those you arenât attracted to? And if so, do you think that preference is related to the kind of sexual relationship directly, or more to the dynamics of the relationships typically portrayed in yaoi vs yuri vs hetero media being different and you prefer a kind of relationship dynamic more common in yaoi than the others?
Honestly the real solution to my curiosity would probably be for me to read a bunch of yaoi and compare, but idk if Iâm invested enough for that lol. Plus how am I to know if the yaoi is straight-woman yaoi or gay-man yaoi or lesbian yaoi? (If the meme is accurate I get the feeling Iâd dislike straight-women yaoi just for the art style alone, and that would greatly bias my data towards the gay kinds of yaoi lol)
Iâm also not watching or reading for porn, Iâm there for the story. Itâs just that sometimes, sex IS the story. Not just romance, but horror, drama, comedy. A well written story can have sex scenes that are about developing love, character growth, interpersonal conflict, trauma, etc. It doesnât have to be sexy to be a good sex scene. I think thatâs actually a lot of the appeal of lesbian yaoi - those sex scenes are more likely to be about WHY the characters are using their dicks than HOW theyâre using them.
Not to discount how good lesbian yaoi sex scenes are, thank you ladies for your tireless efforts in making the boys kiss.
How do you know if itâs lesbian yaoi? If a lesbian gives you yaoi, thatâs how you know I guess. She will say, âplease look at this drawing of Jesus making out with Judas and let me and my girlfriend know what you thinkâ or something like that.
I'm aroace, and I get that, I'm not a big fan of having to see any sex scenes either. Not a big issue, but the more graphic ones do make me a bit uncomfortable. Sex scenes in stories aren't normally meant for porn though, just for the story, so ir's normally fine.
Why is everyone just casually using this and other words I have never heard before? I feel like I'm having a stroke or developed a strange, new, and exotic aphasia!
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GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 63 pts · 243d
Top Gun is probably the single gayest thing that the human race has ever created and straight men just think it's the bee's knees.
TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 243d
https://youtu.be/ZF1LXL6OOsM
GraniteM@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 242d
See also: Commando. And Red Heat. Honestly, straight men spent a lot of the 80s and 90s lusting after Arnold Schwarzenegger's rippling muscles.
GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 241d
Kumail Nanjiani was asked in an interview if he's been getting more attention from women since bulking up. He said something along the lines of "it's mostly been a lot of attention from straight guys too be honest."
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 242d
đŒHighway to the gayer zoneđ¶
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 242d
the first one
multiplewolves@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 242d
âGay men yaoiâ as shown is known as âbaraâ.
Still a very accurate graphic.
Edited for clarity.
qarbone@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 242d
It's not a contradiction, although I also thought that for a bit. I think withă"a [b]" că, "a [b]" is describing the artists' sexual orientation, not the subject of the drawing.
So that's gay men's depiction/conception of yaoi.
HowdyLemmy@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 242d
Now this is why we learn maths/logic!
multiplewolves@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 242d
Yaoi is generally by women. Thatâs part of the definition.
When it looks like that second panel, it isnât yaoi, itâs bara (at least in English).
atomicorange@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 242d
Who says women canât be gay men? Like Anne Rice, yaoi queen!
multiplewolves@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 242d
Afaik, Anne Rice was not trans. Many women identify with gay men in my experience. Her writing was very typical of women writing men.
Her writing doesnât represent the bara-type content shown in the second panel of the post, and to that point, your counterpoint is to the graphic in the post rather than to me.
The picture in âgay mens yaoiâ is characteristic of bara, for which there is already a term. I was just pointing that out. I wasnât picking a fight.
atomicorange@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 242d
I was just joking around :)
Her writing definitely falls under the âstraight womanâ yaoi stereotype in my opinion. I just think sheâs neat and very silly.
unknown@piefed.social · 1 pts · 235d
Why do you find Anne Rice so neat and silly?
I read some of her vampire books when I was young teenager and getting into gothy stuff and every single one that I picked up had multiple and extensively detailed csa scenes with children who adored their abusers.
I gave up trying to read her books when I realised this was a recurring theme.
atomicorange@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 235d
Because theyâre horror novels. Theyâre beautifully written, thought provoking and creative.
Iâm glad you stopped reading them if you found them too disturbing.
Dojan@pawb.social · 3 pts · 242d
Is it? I've always heard that it's ă€ăăȘăăȘăăȘăæćłăȘă, "no climax, punch, or meaning", which I think is just based on early criticism about it mostly being flagrant homosexual sex, rather than having much plot to it?
multiplewolves@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 242d
This isnât a hill Iâm willing to die on, but here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bara_(genre): Bara is distinct from yaoi, a genre of Japanese media focusing on homoerotic relationships between male characters that historically has been created by and for women.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys%27_love: The term yaoi (/ËjaÊi/ â YAH-oi; Japanese: ăăă [jaêo.i]) emerged as a name for the genre in the late 1970s and early 1980s in the context of dĆjinshi (self-published works) culture as a portmanteau of yama nashi, ochi nashi, imi nashi("no climax, no point, no meaning"), where it was used in a self-deprecating manner to refer to amateur fan works that focused on sex to the exclusion of plot and character development, and that often parodied mainstream manga and anime by depicting male characters from popular series in sexual scenarios. "Boys' love" was later adopted by Japanese publications in the 1990s as an umbrella term for maleâmale romance media marketed to women.
So it depends on where you look.
Dojan@pawb.social · 2 pts · 242d
I should've quoted, I was mostly wondering about the "part of the definition" as I've only heard of it being, well the portmanteau. To be fair I've mostly ever heard if called BL in a modern context so that makes sense to me.
Thank you, though! :)
FerretyFever0@fedia.io · 30 pts · 243d
Lesbian yaoi is the best ngl, not even a lesbian, it just is.
Maxxie@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 243d
AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 243d
Okay, hang on, lesbian yaoi sounds like an oxymoron.
Is it common for lesbians to like yaoi? I guess if youâre not sex repulsed by men and enjoy romance in general then youâre probably fine reading stories about mlm romance, but to seek out mlm stories specifically when youâre interested in women seems curious to me.
atomicorange@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 243d
Who I want to fuck doesnât necessarily overlap with who I want to read stories about. Iâm happy to read about or even watch sex acts Iâd never want to actually participate in.
unknown@piefed.social · 28 pts · 242d
As someone who Identifies as aro/ace and pan (i.e. not interested in having sex or intimate relationships, but still attracted to folk), I cannot upvote this enough.
Getting off to something is very, very different from actually wanting to participate in it irl.
Team footballers and maybe the bear, here.
Dojan@pawb.social · 4 pts · 242d
I think it'd be really weird to need to be able to get off to every character/story you read about. As a gay dude, that'd be a struggle on account of all the hetero characters in all the media. I feel like most of the time I read something that has non-hetero characters in it, they're mostly lesbians, or bisexual.
Completely off-topic, but I've seen your handle a few times now and it makes me happy every time.
unknown@piefed.social · 2 pts · 242d
Admittedly I don't actually read yaoi myself, but I was under the impression it was basically just illustrated smut with/without plot, no?
Thank you for the complimemt btw, seeing cat emoticons makes me happy too. àž (âąË âąăâËâčâĄ
Dojan@pawb.social · 3 pts · 242d
Haven't read yaoi myself either, so I wouldn't know, but that's basically what yaoi means. ăă€ăăȘăăȘăăȘăæćłăȘăă, "no climax, point, or meaning."
unknown@piefed.social · 2 pts · 242d
That's basically my life. Pity I'm not into it.
AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 242d
Fascinating, Iâm fine reading or watching stories with characters/romance that don't align with my sexual preferences, but I guess I typically donât like watching sex-scenes in general even if it is with people Iâd be attracted to.
Definitely related to me being on the asexuality spectrum, but im not a fan of sex scenes in shows because Iâm not watching the show for porn I wanted a story lol
Anyway, you sound like you might be in the former group I mentioned where you donât feel sex repulsed by individuals you arenât sexually attracted to, and you just enjoy the romance/story in general.
Do you have a preference specifically for stories about those you arenât attracted to? And if so, do you think that preference is related to the kind of sexual relationship directly, or more to the dynamics of the relationships typically portrayed in yaoi vs yuri vs hetero media being different and you prefer a kind of relationship dynamic more common in yaoi than the others?
Honestly the real solution to my curiosity would probably be for me to read a bunch of yaoi and compare, but idk if Iâm invested enough for that lol. Plus how am I to know if the yaoi is straight-woman yaoi or gay-man yaoi or lesbian yaoi? (If the meme is accurate I get the feeling Iâd dislike straight-women yaoi just for the art style alone, and that would greatly bias my data towards the gay kinds of yaoi lol)
atomicorange@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 242d
Iâm also not watching or reading for porn, Iâm there for the story. Itâs just that sometimes, sex IS the story. Not just romance, but horror, drama, comedy. A well written story can have sex scenes that are about developing love, character growth, interpersonal conflict, trauma, etc. It doesnât have to be sexy to be a good sex scene. I think thatâs actually a lot of the appeal of lesbian yaoi - those sex scenes are more likely to be about WHY the characters are using their dicks than HOW theyâre using them.
Not to discount how good lesbian yaoi sex scenes are, thank you ladies for your tireless efforts in making the boys kiss.
How do you know if itâs lesbian yaoi? If a lesbian gives you yaoi, thatâs how you know I guess. She will say, âplease look at this drawing of Jesus making out with Judas and let me and my girlfriend know what you thinkâ or something like that.
FerretyFever0@fedia.io · 4 pts · 242d
I'm aroace, and I get that, I'm not a big fan of having to see any sex scenes either. Not a big issue, but the more graphic ones do make me a bit uncomfortable. Sex scenes in stories aren't normally meant for porn though, just for the story, so ir's normally fine.
FerretyFever0@fedia.io · 9 pts · 242d
Lots of lesbians are very interested in watching boys kiss.
LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 242d
QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 242d
could you recommend me a wholesome vanilla yuri pls đ„șđ
5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 243d
now do yuri
atomicorange@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 242d
Itâs all catgirls
Dojan@pawb.social · 14 pts · 242d
Hands are too small.
snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 242d
Wow, I hate this more than manhwa shoulders
thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 242d
Had to Google this lmfao
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 218d
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 218d
it'll never cease to astound me how many people can look at their own art and go "yeah this is great, publish it for all to see"
Dojan@pawb.social · 1 pts · 218d
It can still bring joy! Yaoi hands are great.
inkzombie@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 242d
Why does lesbian yaoi look like Death Note?
atomicorange@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 242d
Maybe Takeshi Obata is a secret lesbian?
gegil@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 242d
Yaoi is so unpopular compared to yuri, so i guess its fine if yaoi now has women. At least there will be more yaoi.
FerretyFever0@fedia.io · 9 pts · 242d
Interesting, I hear more about yaoi. Maybe I'm wrong though.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 3 pts · 242d
I imagine it depends a lot on the kinds of spaces you hang out in. I'd assume that yaoi was more popular than yuri in 2010s tumblr.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 242d
Did I fucking miss somethingâœ
Why is everyone just casually using this and other words I have never heard before? I feel like I'm having a stroke or developed a strange, new, and exotic aphasia!
Baggie@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 242d
Yaoi has been in semi common use for about 20 years I want to say, mostly in japan enthusiast circles.
You noticing it everywhere is pretty common for words you only just learned, it's called the frequency illusion.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 235d
Fuck you're right! I actually just heard it yesterday watching the agdq stream.
5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 243d