If you grow up in a colder climate, no, it’s not bad because you’re dressed for it.
-12C is only 10F. It can get down to -25F (-32C) here in the coldest parts of the winter. For example, our high temperature this coming Saturday is supposed to be 2F (-17C).
That's still deadly cold and should require extra precautions. Even Chick-fil-A gives their employees little heated domes despite being psychotic enough to force people outside when the standard drive through has worked fine for generations.
Any temperature below somewhere around 60F/15C is "deadly cold", as in your survivability depends entirely in how well you are clothed as you will eventually die of hypothermia otherwise, the only variable being how long it takes. Kinda like how you can get a 3rd degree burn with 44C water, it just takes 6 hours.
-12C really isn't all that cold - lowest temperature in northern Finland this winter so far has been -42,8C / -45F - but it is a temperature where you will need to pay some attention on how you dress for it. For me, it's around (-10 to 15c depending on the wind) where I'll put on long-johns in the morning and add a sweater instead of just having a t-shirt under my jacket.
Yes, you’re dressed for the weather, as I said. You wouldn’t go out in shorts and a t-shirt and stand there for hours. But if you have a good jacket, gloves, hat, boots, and maybe even snow pants, you can stay perfectly comfortable and safe in cold weather. My point was “cold” depends on what you’re used to.
Most security and construction jobs around here provide employees with big branded coats and winter hats for them to stay warm while they’re doing their jobs, I would assume it no different elsewhere.
That wouldn’t have helped this guy, though, since he died of a heart attack.
Well there are other factors. Was he out there 8 hrs straight? Or did he get a break in a heated box for 10 mins every hr or something? Yeah if you're WORKING it's doable. But as a guard does he just stand around watching? Or just walking? These things matter.
Fair, but when doing jobs like this, their should be health exams. I had to do a rigorous fitness test for my last manufacturing job. Rigorous enough that I was sore afterward.
21 Comments
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 38 pts · 241d
It was - 12c, so not spectacularly cold, and he had a heart attack.
Very misleading headline.
Bonesince1997@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 241d
Like they chained him up outside w/o a jacket or something. Thanks for the clarity.
Blumpkinhead@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 241d
-12 is not that cold to you? Are you by any chance a polar bear?
hydrashok@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 241d
If you grow up in a colder climate, no, it’s not bad because you’re dressed for it.
-12C is only 10F. It can get down to -25F (-32C) here in the coldest parts of the winter. For example, our high temperature this coming Saturday is supposed to be 2F (-17C).
P00ptart@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 240d
That's still deadly cold and should require extra precautions. Even Chick-fil-A gives their employees little heated domes despite being psychotic enough to force people outside when the standard drive through has worked fine for generations.
JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 239d
Any temperature below somewhere around 60F/15C is "deadly cold", as in your survivability depends entirely in how well you are clothed as you will eventually die of hypothermia otherwise, the only variable being how long it takes. Kinda like how you can get a 3rd degree burn with 44C water, it just takes 6 hours.
-12C really isn't all that cold - lowest temperature in northern Finland this winter so far has been -42,8C / -45F - but it is a temperature where you will need to pay some attention on how you dress for it. For me, it's around (-10 to 15c depending on the wind) where I'll put on long-johns in the morning and add a sweater instead of just having a t-shirt under my jacket.
hydrashok@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 240d
Yes, you’re dressed for the weather, as I said. You wouldn’t go out in shorts and a t-shirt and stand there for hours. But if you have a good jacket, gloves, hat, boots, and maybe even snow pants, you can stay perfectly comfortable and safe in cold weather. My point was “cold” depends on what you’re used to.
Most security and construction jobs around here provide employees with big branded coats and winter hats for them to stay warm while they’re doing their jobs, I would assume it no different elsewhere.
That wouldn’t have helped this guy, though, since he died of a heart attack.
titanicx@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 239d
It's really not bad. If you are in a survival mode then 10f is bad, but working on it is pretty normal.
P00ptart@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 239d
Well there are other factors. Was he out there 8 hrs straight? Or did he get a break in a heated box for 10 mins every hr or something? Yeah if you're WORKING it's doable. But as a guard does he just stand around watching? Or just walking? These things matter.
titanicx@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 239d
What also matters is his clothing. But the fact that he had a heart attack usually points to something besides the cold.
P00ptart@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 239d
Fair, but when doing jobs like this, their should be health exams. I had to do a rigorous fitness test for my last manufacturing job. Rigorous enough that I was sore afterward.
blackn1ght@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 241d
The headline is accurate though. What's misleading about it?
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 240d
It heavily implies he died because of the cold, but that may not have even been the cause.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 239d
but they weren't just freezing temperatures, they were subfreezing!
love it when an entirely factual headline has an obvious attempt to spin it for clicks
MonsterMonster@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 241d
Very misleading comment.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 241d
Care to elaborate?
three@lemmy.zip · -20 pts · 241d
Here we go, the 3/4-alcohol-white-people bragging about it being "not that cold". Sit down and let someone else have a real conversation.
gnomesaiyan@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 241d
Oh like the conversations you have? FUCK OFF LOL
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it · 19 pts · 241d
He had previously notified his bosses about the poor working conditions. An average of three people die on the workplace in Italy every day.
Quilotoa@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 241d
A quick search gave Italy as 3.13 workplace deaths per 100 000 in 2024. It's interesting to note that France and the United States are higher.
andybytes@programming.dev · -4 pts · 241d
I mean this sounds like a fast food or retail employee. Always left alone to spin a sh!+ storm of plates.