Both can be true, it's annoying some people can't understand that
I shouldn't be difficult to understand that the Iranian people have legitimate grievances and support their right to demand change, while also understanding that US and Israeli forces are doing whatever they can to co-opt the protests for their own foreign policy goal
I don't imagine the system following this would be worse ideologically to a socialist than a theocracy. Surprised more aren't happy about the unrest as an opportunity for socialists. Not sure why the hesitancy. Can't be any love for their current theocratic system.
Iran has been a target of US imperialism for decades, and the US has overthrown their government before and installed a US puppet, just like they'd like to do now. It was even one of the 7 wars in 5 years countried outlined by the Bush administration.
Its not your or my place to choose what form of government they have, that's for the Iranian people to decide. Your place is to oppose the US bombing civilians and sanctioning the country.
I'm all for Iranian people plotting their own course. I think if they throw out the current system then that's great. I'm just surprised by the hesitancy over that from ml spaces.
I'm sure USA and Israel will be happy to see the current system fall but it's not like that's going to make me hesitant to cheer if the Iranian people decide to overthrow it
They aren't simply 'happy to see' like some kind of observer, they are actively co-opting genuine protests for their own ends, at the expense of the Iranian people.
Oof. The Gaddafi assassination was bad for Libya and it was done for the financial interests of the western elites, not for the sake of the people of Libya.
That's the problem. It's not like Iran is a great system full of equality and democracy, but usually when you see interventionism in situations like these it's not good for the people of those countries.
It's clearly a color revolution with heavy Mossad and CIA influence. The "Ghaddaffi treatment" ruined Libya, there's no chance of this turning into a socialist state right now.
Yeah sure just pretend you didn't respond to the reality of the US overthrowing Iran with violence and famine like a recurring nightmare with "lol but what about putler?" and breezing it off with some passive aggressive snide shit
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Saapas@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 227d
I mean probably. But also the people seem to have some legit sounding things they're upset about
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 226d
Mostly their economic situation... Which is caused by Western sanctions.
Keeponstalin@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 227d
Both can be true, it's annoying some people can't understand that
I shouldn't be difficult to understand that the Iranian people have legitimate grievances and support their right to demand change, while also understanding that US and Israeli forces are doing whatever they can to co-opt the protests for their own foreign policy goal
ladyofcrypto@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 227d
PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml · -8 pts · 227d
dessalines@lemmy.ml · 19 pts · 227d
Fell for it again award
Saapas@piefed.zip · -14 pts · 227d
I don't imagine the system following this would be worse ideologically to a socialist than a theocracy. Surprised more aren't happy about the unrest as an opportunity for socialists. Not sure why the hesitancy. Can't be any love for their current theocratic system.
dessalines@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 227d
Iran has been a target of US imperialism for decades, and the US has overthrown their government before and installed a US puppet, just like they'd like to do now. It was even one of the 7 wars in 5 years countried outlined by the Bush administration.
Its not your or my place to choose what form of government they have, that's for the Iranian people to decide. Your place is to oppose the US bombing civilians and sanctioning the country.
Saapas@piefed.zip · -11 pts · 227d
I'm all for Iranian people plotting their own course. I think if they throw out the current system then that's great. I'm just surprised by the hesitancy over that from ml spaces.
Keeponstalin@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 226d
The problem is that the US/Israel isn't and will do everything they can to plot their own course instead
Saapas@piefed.zip · -10 pts · 226d
I'm sure USA and Israel will be happy to see the current system fall but it's not like that's going to make me hesitant to cheer if the Iranian people decide to overthrow it
Keeponstalin@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 226d
They aren't simply 'happy to see' like some kind of observer, they are actively co-opting genuine protests for their own ends, at the expense of the Iranian people.
highduc@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 227d
Oof. The Gaddafi assassination was bad for Libya and it was done for the financial interests of the western elites, not for the sake of the people of Libya.
That's the problem. It's not like Iran is a great system full of equality and democracy, but usually when you see interventionism in situations like these it's not good for the people of those countries.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 227d
It's clearly a color revolution with heavy Mossad and CIA influence. The "Ghaddaffi treatment" ruined Libya, there's no chance of this turning into a socialist state right now.
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 226d
Yeah just like Syria
gorikan@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 227d
Im sure us and israel will help with that. It wont be like the previous time right?
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · -10 pts · 227d
AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 227d
Brain rot rivaling any trump uncle
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · -11 pts · 227d
AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 227d
Yeah sure just pretend you didn't respond to the reality of the US overthrowing Iran with violence and famine like a recurring nightmare with "lol but what about putler?" and breezing it off with some passive aggressive snide shit
hey straight to your face buddy, fuck you
You're a genuine piece of shit
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · -7 pts · 227d
AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 227d
haha brown people's lives
Saapas@piefed.zip · 6 pts · 227d
Lmao