It’s Time to Dismantle the Department of Homeland Security

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2026/01/ice-trump-dhs-department-of-homeland-security.html

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xenomor@lemmy.world · 83 pts · 220d (11 replies)

This rally cry (to dismantle DHS) sounds exactly like the kind of popular policy position the Democrats always take when they are out of power. Then, when we give them the power to act, they refuse to implement it (usually in service of some nonsense like “mending”, “coalition building”, or “returning to normalcy”).

crusa187@lemmy.ml · 35 pts · 220d (2 replies)

Yep, so if voting is still on the menu, we need to vote out the incumbent establishment dems who refuse to remediate these state terror programs.

Schumer and Jeffries won’t even support defunding ICE. Primary these dipshits while you still can New York!

ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 220d

Installing new politicians in the DNC will change nothing until those Junior members are confirmed to not be a threat to the current power structure they're not given any power that would threaten that power structure

Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 220d

Bro, you can’t vote your way out of fascism. This is tyranny these are not normal times anymore normal things do not always apply for circumstances the courts the laws they’re not gonna save us. The sooner people realize that the sooner we can collectively do something.

Gates9@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 220d

Wealthy Democratic Party donors/leaders need the military in the streets putting down populist uprisings as much as Republican ones do. Often they are the same people.

cheesybuddha@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 220d

Not even when they get in power.

Dems are already pushing back against people saying 'Abolish ICE'

telllos@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 220d (2 replies)

Because, let's face it, democrat and republican are two faces of the same coin.

DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 220d

We need a third Socialist Party

kablez@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 220d

It's the same model across the western world. Two party systems dominate because it's the easiest model for the oligarchs to control us with.

NatakuNox@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 220d

Absorbed into the FBI and CIA.

UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 4 pts · 220d (1 reply)

Yeah, that's about the size of it. Of course the alternative is electing out-and-proud Nazis, so I guess its the choice that we get.

ameancow@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 220d
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Formfiller@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 220d (8 replies)

Abolish ice, abolish palintir, abolish space x and demilitarize the police. Police should have a bachelor’s degree at minimum.

Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz · 0 pts · 220d (7 replies)

Nationalise SpaceX or force it’s sale. Musk aside, it’s holding up American dominance of the space industry.

Formfiller@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 219d (3 replies)

the word you’re looking for is NASA. Fund NASA

bold_atlas@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 219d (1 reply)

Rocket bros are calling NASA "legacy Space" when they haven't accomplished shit compared to them.

Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz · 1 pts · 218d

Not me.

Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz · 1 pts · 218d

Fold them into NASA then. Don’t throw away their tech or engineering skill, that’s just a waste.

bold_atlas@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 219d (2 replies)

No fuck SpaceX. And space Force is already nationalized but fuck them too. They all need to be shredded.

We don't we need to dominate anything. That's chud think. We need to cooperate in space.

Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 219d

Ok but like those things are also necessary for cooperating in space.

Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz · 1 pts · 218d

Cooperate how if we can’t get to space for an affordable price? SpaceX is leading at making space available at scale.

NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net · 19 pts · 220d

Dismantle the DHS? Whoa there. Lets cool it with the antisemitism

BaroqueInMind@piefed.social · 18 pts · 220d (37 replies)

And how are we going to do that? By asking politely? Waving more signs? Marches?

Actually convincing people to fucking vote is the only peaceful solution.

gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 220d (3 replies)

If you want people to vote for us when there isn't a Republican in the White House then we need to push for leaders who

  1. Consistently tell people Republicans are bad people with bad ideas.
  2. Tell people creating ICE and DHS were Republican ideas and they need to be gotten rid of because Republicans have bad ideas.
  3. Tell people things were better back in the 90s before ICE existed because we didn't let Republicans' bad ideas ruin everything and we could just go back to what we were doing then.
  4. Publicly disown anyone who tries to campaign with Republicans or says anything positive about them.

Deviating from those things only loses us votes.

e; deleted something that was needlessly proactive

NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 3 pts · 219d

we could just go back to what we were doing then.

Except what you were doing in the 90s directly led to what you're doing right now. You can't press freeze on history; that's not how systemic problems work. The solution to the problems of the present lies in the future (and leftist commie socialism), not the past.

some_designer_dude@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 220d

You’re describing their playbook!

ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml · -5 pts · 220d

Are you like 12 years old or something?

NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 22 pts · 220d

Read: There's no peaceful solution. Fascism in America has already reached critical mass. Start organizing before it's too late.

UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 14 pts · 220d (2 replies)

It doesn't matter how people vote if none of their available options wants to do this.

Articles like this are how you get people to sell candidates that have this position.

I guess it's just easier to whine about shit though.

adespoton@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 220d

If you think you’re limited in your options to represent you in government, then it’s not the land of the free.

It may seem like there’s only two viable options, and those two options will do all in their power to convince people of that, but anyone can be elected if they gain enough support. There are independents after all, and primaries still count for something too, if enough people show up to vote.

EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 220d

People need to vote in the primaries. As bad as turnout in the general election is, the primaries are fucking abysmal.

EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 220d

There are some economic strategies too, but they would involve varying levels of self-inflicted pain. They also need significant coordination to be effective.

lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world · -15 pts · 220d (27 replies)

loser talk

gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 220d

Yeah, the way it's phrased it definitely seems like they want to make things worse by blaming voters for behaving like voters instead of focusing criticism on the elected officials who refuse to really attack the Republican party and its policies and end up demoralizing everyone

BaroqueInMind@piefed.social · 3 pts · 220d (25 replies)

Well, then please teach me how to talk like a winner. Seriously.

lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 220d (24 replies)

I can’t, but you could take this opportunity to stop posting quitter comments online. Just go away if you can’t help

And if “WE’RE FUCKED NO MATTER WHAT WE DO” is all you have to say, you have nothing to say

FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 220d (12 replies)

He literally posted a solution. Nothing about what he said was quitting, he was telling people what doesn't work. You know what also doesn't work? Negative comments on Lemmy. Relatively no one is reading this, and you are are just being aggressive. Relax.

lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 220d (11 replies)

He literally posted a solution

Where?

FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 220d (1 reply)

Actually convincing people to fucking vote is the only peaceful solution.

There. Right there. In the comment. Right there in the comment where he said, "Actually convincing people to fucking vote is the only peaceful solution." That's the part.

lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 220d

You must be confused, or replying to the wrong comment. Either that, or someone’s playing the edit game

Either way, hope your day gets better

gustofwind@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 220d (7 replies)

He said we need to vote

You say we just need to talk like winners on the internet

lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 220d

At no point did anyone in a thread I replied to say we need to vote, I think you’re too upset about this now

lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com · -1 pts · 220d

DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com · 1 pts · 220d

So how fucked are we?

DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 1 pts · 220d (8 replies)

That's literally what you're saying.

Try providing actual plans.

FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 220d (1 reply)

This sort of commenter frustrates me. I understand that they don't want to see negativity in the comment section, but they never offer any sort of positivity, just reprimand.

beanie@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 220d

You’re assuming these commenters are acting in good faith. They typically aren’t.

lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 220d (5 replies)

I’m saying there’s no value in adding doomer loser noise to the signal.

Adding a positive is positive, reducing a negative is also a positive. I’m reducing a negative by asking these helpless bleating losers to be less unhelpful and vocal.

I’m happy and open to having a positive and constructive conversation, but they don’t start with rude challenges

DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 4 pts · 220d (1 reply)

Still not providing an actual plan.

When you get one, post it.

And I consider phrases like 'doomer loser' pretty rude.

lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 220d

ok

TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 220d (2 replies)

Adding a positive is positive, reducing a negative is also a positive. I’m reducing a negative by asking these helpless bleating losers to be less unhelpful and vocal.

Lol, telling someone who is claiming the solution is to convince people to vote a loser is positive?

I mean that's just the truth...... You can't make changes to the organization of the executive branch without securing the support of both the executive and Congress.

Maybe instead of loosing your shit about people being looser doomers, you might just want to read a book about civics.

lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 220d

You’re commenting on an edit, so I can excuse your tone, but you’re late to the party

lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com · 0 pts · 220d

I can’t

Seems like loser talk.

aramis87@fedia.io · 18 pts · 220d

It's given me Nazi Germanic creeps since the moment it was named the Department of Homeland Security.

ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 220d (10 replies)

Democrats will never dismantle an organization that they gain so much from. Prior to this year, the largest increases in federal funding to ice and the department of Homeland security have come from Democrats. Who else is going to do the record number of deportations for Democrats if it wasn't for ice and Homeland security? And I'm sure I don't need to remind anyone that the one currently running things for Trump was running things for Obama.

ameancow@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 220d (6 replies)
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FE80@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 220d (2 replies)

Shouldn't it be primary season for the mid terms now? Are there any left, or at least progressive, candidates running anywhere?

BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 220d

If you’re in the US, look for DSA candidates in your area.

https://electoral.dsausa.org/

ameancow@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 220d
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lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com · -4 pts · 220d (2 replies)

Republicans one-party state FTW?

bold_atlas@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 219d (1 reply)

They didn't mention the 2nd part:

Dismantle the Democrats. Liquidate the Republicans.

lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com · -2 pts · 219d

That's a tremendous omission.

Big think: the people wouldn't just vanish. The parties are their people. After we dismantle & liquidate them, wouldn't the same parties reemerge? Something crucial seems missing.

frisbird@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 220d (2 replies)

Wait what? Kristi Noem ran DHS under Obama? What am I missing?

ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 220d

Tom Homan

bold_atlas@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 219d

Kristi Noem's DHS is what we were warned we would get eventually. They were right.

The people screaming at Democrats for 20 years for not trying to roll all that police state Bush era shit back WERE RIGHT!

phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 220d (3 replies)

DHS?

It's time to dismantle the USA.

Its at this point a failed state and it should just fall apart in 50 independent countries. About half of them (I'll leave it as as exercise to the reader to figure out which ones) will turn into Canada type counties with healthcare

The other will turn into 3rd world banana republics that won't be able to feed their own population while having constant coup'detats going on. After a few decades the world will intervene and install normal functioning democracies in those countries after outlawing religion there.

A woman can dream

aphonefriend@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 220d (1 reply)

The world will interfere and fix them? Like who? Russia? China? Like everyone else intervened and fixed the middle east?

I hate to break it to you, but the problem isn't the usa.

The problem is the rich.

drmoose@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 219d

Nah american people have all tbe power to do so as is

ChillPenguin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 219d

I wish so bad.

ChonkyLincoln@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 220d (2 replies)

It’s time to dismantle the US Government, prosecute sex offenders, pedophiles, corrupt politicians and start over.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 220d (1 reply)

It’s time to dismantle the US Government

Macallan@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 220d

He forgot to say what he would do to the billionaires.

DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 220d

It's time to dismantle the government in general. The government (through ICE) are stifling people's liberties. It's time that the proletariat has a say. Seriously!

j_elgato@leminal.space · 8 pts · 220d

But then who will protect us from those 20 guys with box cutters?

You remember, the ones they used as the excuse to establish the ministry of the interior.

mar10sanch32@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 220d

It's a war-time consolidation of power that has been irredeemably infiltrated & turned against the country's own residents. It can easily be dismantled l, with power distributed to competing agencies keeping each other in check, like it was for 200 years.

lemmylump@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 220d (2 replies)

The day I can't vote is the day I take arms.

Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 220d

That might be a little like "not using the fire extinguisher until the fire has spread into the living room."

Too little, too late. Trump is talking about suspendeding the midterms. Might be time to show some guns.

Postimo@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 220d

I think this mentality breaks down in the reality of the system we currently have. They are constantly working to make your vote mean less. The structures of our constitution effective gerrymander the states' influence on national levels through the senate. Similarly, the electoral collage is built to favor the right. And after all that the higher courts have been packed by republican, effectively giving an override to functionally any law in the form of sloppy logic from a broken supreme court.

All of that to say, if you draw the line at specifically your ability to cast a vote, regardless of the voice you actually have, you've essentially decided so long as there is the theater of democracy you will do nothing to help save it.

Formfiller@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 219d

Fuck Trump, Fuck ICE, Free Palestine!

oppy1984@lemdro.id · 4 pts · 219d

Actually we're long overdue, the time to dismantle the DHS was the same day it was created.

thagoat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 220d

Repost, reblog, re-tweet, re-truth (if you're into that sort of thing).