You mean installing? How Google is going to handle restricting us from installing apps on our phone? Thats what it is. Sideloading doesn't fucking exist.
Thank you. I gave that community a subscribe because I want to use a Linux phone at some point in the future.
The big thing I have to make sure of is accessibility as I am a low vision user who requires the use of screen magnification at the very minimum and a screen reader is preferred for text such as articles and websites.
A Linux phone won't help with the problem side loading stopping problem.
Last time I used side loading was on a driving trip in Italy, I wanted the ZTA app so I could see where I wasn't able to drive and plan routes that avoided ZTAs. A Linux phone wouldn't have helped as no one would publish such an app for Linux unless the user population was in the tens of percentage
ZTAs are the no cars allowed areas, usually the middle of towns
Id argue linux phones being used will fix the problem. People not publishing an app for linux isn't because it's impossible it's because nobody is using it.
Graphene is working with a manufacturer to build a device for them.
Also, Graphene isn't the only game in town. Lineage is fine, yes, you can't re-lock the bootloader on most devices, but frankly that risk is overstated for the average person. For the people who need that kind of security, if they're that big of a target then the actors after them will have state-level capability. So it's a deterrent for less-capable adversaries.
Few years back I got a Chromebook just to put GalliumOS on it. Google's hardware honestly has a decent track record for allowing open source operating systems.
Okay you got me with this one. Excepting one category of Apple products, you would need to go back about half a century to find an example of a major hardware manufacturer that is worse at "allowing" open source operating systems.
Google Wallet does not load (I use Passes or Catima to download tickets) and tap to pay does not work - Google Pay still works, just not through the app.
Some financial apps don't work. CapitalOne doesn't open, but I only need to login once a month to pay my credit card so I just do it on my computer.
My company's Microsoft Intune setup didn't work, but they recently restricted it to iPhone only so that's not relevant anymore.
I'm very interested, but losing tap to pay could be a deal breaker. Also, Dexcom app can be very picky. But if Google makes side loading too difficult all bets are off.
The strings mentioned are worrying. The developer verification requires an internet access - what if there's no internet or the connection is spotty? Does that mean you can't install the APK without Uncle Google having the internet first?
::: spoiler Android already scares you away from installing APKs.
A modern Android device does not simply let you install an APK without going through a lotta mental gymnastics. On a Xiaomi device with HyperOS, you have to turn the permission on for it and sit there for ten seconds to read their warnings before you can manually proceed. Each time you install something, there's a chance Google Play will pop up to tell you the app does not support a modern Android version, and it will require your unlock or fingerprint to even continue. Not to mention some apps literally tell you Google Play is unsure of their security and offers you to send it so what I assume is their automated systems could give the APK file a look.
:::
If all these scare tactics didn't stop you, there's nothing more Google or the manufacturers could do without stripping even more of what made Android great in the first place.
As in, no side loading at all on Sammy devices? I find that hard to believe. You mean more restrictions on installing just some but not all APKs, right? That's still scummy either way if true.
I once read that uninstalling packages with ADB on Xiaomi phones would make it even more painful to unlock the bootloader. It's probably just a one off half truth but even that made me be wary of just uninstalling things - but yeah this means whenever someone wants to sideload something on a Samsung they need to follow a tutorial at best, that's blegh.
the biggest problem hasn't yet emerged, let's say Orange turd will use his power to force Goolag to restrict access to the Goolag account for any country or entity for any of his moronic reason.
Already happened with the ICC, in our country we are trying to avoid the US financial system. The central bank is developing a QR payment system. Currently, we have agreements to use this system with several countries in Asia.
And no matter how good the QR payment system is, it still relies heavily on the Goolag ecosystem. Most QR payment applications will not work with microG.
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Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 149 pts · 225d
You mean installing? How Google is going to handle restricting us from installing apps on our phone? Thats what it is. Sideloading doesn't fucking exist.
Hexagon@feddit.it · 63 pts · 225d
Stop complaining, just use a different mobile OS.
... oh, shit!
sorghum@sh.itjust.works · 54 pts · 225d
See y'all on !linuxphones@lemmy.ca
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 225d
Thank you. I gave that community a subscribe because I want to use a Linux phone at some point in the future.
The big thing I have to make sure of is accessibility as I am a low vision user who requires the use of screen magnification at the very minimum and a screen reader is preferred for text such as articles and websites.
psud@aussie.zone · -1 pts · 225d
A Linux phone won't help with the problem side loading stopping problem.
Last time I used side loading was on a driving trip in Italy, I wanted the ZTA app so I could see where I wasn't able to drive and plan routes that avoided ZTAs. A Linux phone wouldn't have helped as no one would publish such an app for Linux unless the user population was in the tens of percentage
ZTAs are the no cars allowed areas, usually the middle of towns
Turret3857@infosec.pub · 18 pts · 225d
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tankfox@midwest.social · 10 pts · 225d
Waydroid works great on my steam deck
HexaBack@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 225d
+1
Hozerkiller@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 224d
Id argue linux phones being used will fix the problem. People not publishing an app for linux isn't because it's impossible it's because nobody is using it.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 34 pts · 225d
I've heard people call it sideloading for actual PCs.
Like, the fuck?
RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com · 7 pts · 225d
If your computer came shipped in windows S mode it's kinda apt.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 225d
"Actual" PCs.
RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com · 1 pts · 225d
They are actual pcs
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 225d
Your not-so personal walled garden is a personal computer?
RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com · 1 pts · 225d
I have no clue what you're trying to say.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 225d
PC = Personal Computer
GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 72 pts · 226d
Very happy with GrapheneOS.
mctoasterson@reddthat.com · 51 pts · 226d
GrapheneOS is a nice reprieve from the sea of endless enshittification news flowing forth from Big Tech these days.
jnod4@lemmy.ca · 27 pts · 225d
While it last, Google is disabling apks and you think they won't lock bootloaders?
sorghum@sh.itjust.works · 29 pts · 225d
Which is why I'm monitoring !linuxphones@lemmy.ca for updates and good targets to daily drive for work purposes. We can't trust Google anymore.
Lfrith@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 224d
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe · 11 pts · 225d
There are other phone companies.
Graphene is working with a manufacturer to build a device for them.
Also, Graphene isn't the only game in town. Lineage is fine, yes, you can't re-lock the bootloader on most devices, but frankly that risk is overstated for the average person. For the people who need that kind of security, if they're that big of a target then the actors after them will have state-level capability. So it's a deterrent for less-capable adversaries.
weirdo_from_space@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 225d
Also you can build a LineageOS image that let's you re-lock the bootloader if you really want that functionality.
It looks like a real hassle but it is possible.
kugmo@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 225d
Got a link to that?
weirdo_from_space@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 224d
Yes, but it's even more of a hassle than I remembered and offers basically no benefit, it's really not worth it.
https://redlib.catsarch.com/r/LineageOS/comments/n7yo7u/a_discussion_about_bootloader_lockingunlocking/
mmmac@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 225d
Well the next gen graphene os release will be on their own devices. They're working with an OEM now.
skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 224d
photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 226d
It's a quite ironic it's only available for Google's phones.
e/os is fine too.
GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 225d
Few years back I got a Chromebook just to put GalliumOS on it. Google's hardware honestly has a decent track record for allowing open source operating systems.
gila@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 225d
Okay you got me with this one. Excepting one category of Apple products, you would need to go back about half a century to find an example of a major hardware manufacturer that is worse at "allowing" open source operating systems.
hateisreality@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 225d
Just switched and I'm liking it...just need to import my address book with out Google play
crazyduck@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 225d
Check out Davx5, that's what I used to pull contacts and calendar
hateisreality@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 225d
Which repository does that app.live on?
crazyduck@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 225d
I got it from f-droid, but you could pull it from github as well
creepystephenscreepiestdoll@lemmynsfw.com · 1 pts · 224d
Thanks, now any advice for a calendar I can share across devices that is not Google calendar?
crazyduck@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 224d
There's plenty, tuta calendar, proton calendar, nextcloud if you want to self-host ,...
creepystephenscreepiestdoll@lemmynsfw.com · 1 pts · 220d
Hey, just wanted to say thanks for your info, much appreciated!
Delusion6903@discuss.online · 1 pts · 225d
Is the ui the same as Pixel?
GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 225d
Yeah. The biggest issues I've had with it are:
Google Wallet does not load (I use Passes or Catima to download tickets) and tap to pay does not work - Google Pay still works, just not through the app.
Some financial apps don't work. CapitalOne doesn't open, but I only need to login once a month to pay my credit card so I just do it on my computer.
My company's Microsoft Intune setup didn't work, but they recently restricted it to iPhone only so that's not relevant anymore.
Delusion6903@discuss.online · 3 pts · 225d
I'm very interested, but losing tap to pay could be a deal breaker. Also, Dexcom app can be very picky. But if Google makes side loading too difficult all bets are off.
skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 224d
greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 224d
I cannot for the life of me get Android Auto to work with it.
Elektrobank@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 223d
Mine has always worked first try since they added it. Make sure to set it up through Settings>Apps>Android Auto>Additonal Settings
greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 217d
I missed your reply, thanks I'll give that a shot. I think I'm going to completely wipe this phone and start over for unrelated reasons.
MrTolkinghoen@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 223d
Weird. Capital one works fine for me... Did you try exploit protection compatibility mode? I have it enabled for all banking apps.
kenopsik@piefed.social · 6 pts · 225d
Yep, it's the same stock UI and design language. Most of the modifications are under the hood and more user control over apps, permissions, etc
nesc@lemmy.cafe · 55 pts · 226d
"sideloading"
Scrollone@feddit.it · 7 pts · 224d
Exactly. Stop using sideloading. The correct term is "installing".
Google wants to prevent users from installing apps on their phones.
brax@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 224d
See the same nonsense in the PC world with people talking about their "anticheat" when in what they really mean is "rootkit"
markz@suppo.fi · 39 pts · 226d
"For your security"
slickgoat@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 225d
That's the old Apple standby.
brax@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 224d
If it was about user security, they would allow all users to have root level access to their phone.
cybernihongo@reddthat.com · 30 pts · 225d
The strings mentioned are worrying. The developer verification requires an internet access - what if there's no internet or the connection is spotty? Does that mean you can't install the APK without Uncle Google having the internet first?
::: spoiler Android already scares you away from installing APKs. A modern Android device does not simply let you install an APK without going through a lotta mental gymnastics. On a Xiaomi device with HyperOS, you have to turn the permission on for it and sit there for ten seconds to read their warnings before you can manually proceed. Each time you install something, there's a chance Google Play will pop up to tell you the app does not support a modern Android version, and it will require your unlock or fingerprint to even continue. Not to mention some apps literally tell you Google Play is unsure of their security and offers you to send it so what I assume is their automated systems could give the APK file a look. :::
If all these scare tactics didn't stop you, there's nothing more Google or the manufacturers could do without stripping even more of what made Android great in the first place.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 224d
Look up the word "Enshittification" in a dictionary and you'll see the android logo right next to it
somerandomperson@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 224d
There's also some fucker named "Automatic Blocker" on (Samsung's (?)) Android devices that is on by default, which prevents installation of APKs.
cybernihongo@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 223d
As in, no side loading at all on Sammy devices? I find that hard to believe. You mean more restrictions on installing just some but not all APKs, right? That's still scummy either way if true.
somerandomperson@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 223d
You CAN disable it (heck, you can even remove the package via ADB). But it's still annoying that it's the default.
cybernihongo@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 223d
I once read that uninstalling packages with ADB on Xiaomi phones would make it even more painful to unlock the bootloader. It's probably just a one off half truth but even that made me be wary of just uninstalling things - but yeah this means whenever someone wants to sideload something on a Samsung they need to follow a tutorial at best, that's blegh.
somerandomperson@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 223d
oh, yeah...
Xiaomi is a pain in the ass.
cybernihongo@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 223d
True. They're nice in some ways, but not all the ways.
throws_lemy@lemmy.nz · 12 pts · 225d
the biggest problem hasn't yet emerged, let's say Orange turd will use his power to force Goolag to restrict access to the Goolag account for any country or entity for any of his moronic reason.
Rekall_Incorporated@piefed.social · 6 pts · 225d
This is honestly the biggest issue with using American platforms, they are fundamentally unreliable (not to mention criminally corrupt).
throws_lemy@lemmy.nz · 2 pts · 224d
Already happened with the ICC, in our country we are trying to avoid the US financial system. The central bank is developing a QR payment system. Currently, we have agreements to use this system with several countries in Asia.
And no matter how good the QR payment system is, it still relies heavily on the Goolag ecosystem. Most QR payment applications will not work with microG.
skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 224d
hateisreality@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 225d
Thanks