Translated from German (with DeepL):
The Swiss messenger service Threema is being acquired by the German investment company Comitis Capital. Both the company and Threema itself emphasize that the arrival of the new investor will not lead to any significant changes for the time being. The company headquarters and servers will remain in Switzerland, and the management team will stay unchanged.
A financial investor with a broad portfolio
Comitis Capital is a young private equity firm, not a technology company. It invests in various industries, including a UK-based supplier of vegan meat alternatives and a manufacturer of dog accessories.
Its business model consists of providing financial support to promising companies so that they can grow and establish themselves internationally. “Comitis now clearly sees this potential in Threema too,” says SRF digital editor Tanja Eder.
Data protection as a business model
The strong focus on data protection is considered a key strength of the messenger. Precisely because US tech companies are coming under increasing criticism and digital sovereignty is gaining in importance, Comitis sees this aspect as a clear unique selling point.
Whether this will remain the case in the long term is unclear, according to Eder. If Comitis were to conclude at some point that it would be more profitable to collect Threema customer data or sell the company, no one could prevent them from doing so.
Trust in the authorities remains an issue
In Switzerland, federal authorities and the military also use Threema for internal communication. Even though everyone involved is aware that there is no such thing as absolute security, Threema still has advantages over its competitors.
For example, Threema's source code is openly accessible. Experts in the fields of data protection, IT security, and research regularly check whether the company is keeping its promises. Government agencies can also carry out their own checks.
Hardly any alternatives on the market
Good alternatives to Threema are rare. “Apart from WhatsApp, which dominates the market, there is simply not much room for other messenger services,” notes the digital editor.
Signal is considered another secure messenger alongside Threema. However, it is operated from the US, albeit by a non-profit foundation and financed by donations. In Switzerland, Proton offers encrypted emails, but does not have its own messenger service.
“Given this limited offering, we can only hope that privacy-friendly communication services will gain in importance in the future,” says Eder.
35 Comments
RunOblomovRun@feddit.org · 71 pts · 203d
What a bunch of marketing bullshit. If at all there is an abundance of good alternatives.
Flipper@feddit.org · 33 pts · 203d
The perfect messenger would be open and private.
That means open source, federated with portable account's, e2e encrypted, minimal metadata storage, discoverable contacts, easy to self host as compute, storage and knowledge.
That doesn't exist as of today. Also it's really hard.
Pretty much everything is better than WhatsApp though.
Cursive was added later or modified to clarify.
vatlark@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 203d
Deltachat, Matrix, and Session are federated and E2E encrypted, I think.
Flipper@feddit.org · 6 pts · 203d
At least matrix doesn't let you move your account to other server. Also it doesn't minimize metadata storage. Its is stored on every server for a room.
The other two I don't know. I'll look them.up.
Butterphinger@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 203d
This is the point where you both turn to eachother and say XMPP! at the same time, right?
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 202d
"XMPP is too hard" i hear all the time. i don't get it at all. it's no harder than matrix and it's much lighter to host
Butterphinger@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 202d
Hell prosody has a module for sending invites.
I'd argue sending someone xxxx@server.fuck and a password is even easier.
Step 1: Download Monal, Snikket or Conversations Step 2: toss this info in Step 3: ??? Profit
use a pastebin
Ontimp@feddit.org · 1 pts · 203d
Yes but those things are being worked on including meta data encryption.
Also, strictly speaking you can migrate accounts, it's just a little cumbersome and needs either some manual effort or separate tooling. I agree though that it should be considerably easier.
artyom@piefed.social · 9 pts · 203d
SimpleX doesn't even have an account to move anywhere...
myserverisdown@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 202d
My wife and I use SimpleX. I don't know why its not discussed more. Perfect use case for attending protests and such. Get swept up in illegal arrests and they want you to open the app? Enter the self-destruct code. It opens the app normally while destroying any info it contained so they would be none the wiser. It just looks like an empty chat.
artyom@piefed.social · 1 pts · 202d
I dunno about perfect. There's very little available in the way of moderation tools, so it's rife for manipulation. But there's no such thing as perfect and this is the next best thing.
DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 203d
Maybe Matrix with Element.
Ontimp@feddit.org · 1 pts · 203d
Any number of Matrix-based messengers fulfill most of those criteria; meta data reduction could be better but we're getting there.
Also Signal is very decent alternative if you want a WhatsApp-like UX from a trustworthy source.
This reporting seems quite one-sided.
Flipper@feddit.org · 1 pts · 203d
I know that a lot oft options are close and make different trade offs. But as you said yourself. The fulfill most criteria not all.
Ontimp@feddit.org · 2 pts · 203d
No reason to let the perfect be the enemy of the good though. As you said, pretty much anything is better than WhatsApp
Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 203d
Good means private. In terms of private there is Threema, Signal, and various self-hosted options that only freaks would actually use.
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 203d
Deltachat is really good, decentralized and basically unblockable (unless the government blocks the email protocol... which would break the internet)
machiavellian@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 203d
Deltachat can't be considered as private as Signal, SimpleX, Briar, Threema or Cwtch due to the fact that it's based on the mail protocol. The mail protocol will always leak metadata (who, to whom, where and when) because it could't function otherwise. And because we live in a world of surveillence, metadata can be oftentimes more valuable than the message itself.
Also saying that deltachat is unblockable because it is based on the mail protocol would be the same as saying that every app utilizing VOIP is unblockable because it uses the TCP/IP stack and blocking it would render the internet unusuable.
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 203d
The metadata-issue is addressed in their FAQ
And to the blocking issue:
From signal-contingency-plan.info
machiavellian@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 203d
https://delta.chat/en/help#message-metadata
> Doesn't store any metadata on servers
> Servers still see the sender and reciever and the message size
Explain how this is not contradictory.
Furthermore my original argument on protocol blocking still stands (if almost all communication platforms rely on a widely used protocol, the blocking of which is infeasble, then how is this a feature noone else besides deltachat has).
And as the FAQ brilliantly illustrates, you don't have to block the mail protocol to inhibit deltachat users from communicating. All you have to do, is just shut down the relays which are crucial to masking your metadata.
Speaking of relays, all they do is transfer the trust. Without using relays you have to trust that normal mail servers wont't log your activity (they do). With relays you have to trust that the relay operators won't log your activity.
Count042@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 203d
Delta chat is what I moved to from XMPP after NPM-7.
TerHu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 203d
+1 for delta. it’s a really cool concept and has been working pretty well for me so far, though i’ve not used group chats yet. for decentralisation/ selfhosting it’s probably the simplest and most battle tested option as it just needs a mail server and nothing fancy
vatlark@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 203d
Just downloaded
jim3692@discuss.online · 1 pts · 203d
Isn't Briar an alternative to Threema?
piyuv@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 203d
Not really, since Briar has a very specific usecase and doesn’t have cross platform support
Ontimp@feddit.org · 1 pts · 203d
Foe many of the federated self hosted ones you can just use the public instances; it's about as freaky as using Lemmy lol
Lemmchen@feddit.org · 1 pts · 203d
The statement is in regard to the market dominance. You've misread it.
freebee@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 203d
Then it is still not true. Signal has over 11 million users in Germany, Threema has 8-10 million users.
Lemmchen@feddit.org · 1 pts · 203d
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1005178/share-population-using-whatsapp-europe/
freebee@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 203d
Yes, I know WhatsApp is biggest overall. But for Threema to say that the competition is WhatsApp and that's it... Is a wrong market analysis imo. In the "privacy conscious" segment signal is the biggest. Threema's biggest competitor in Germany is Signal, not WhatsApp.
Ontimp@feddit.org · 1 pts · 203d
Depends. Signal is the strongest competitor within that niche, but overall both will only grow if they capture marker share from WhatsApp; which is perfectly feasible as they are in principle perfectly viable substitute products and it's mostly the monopolistic pressures of WhatsApp's preexisting user base. In my personal experiences, Signal, Threema, Matrix, etc. see use within relatively closed bubbles (i.e. I moved my family over to signal, or a work project team uses Element for Matrix, etc.). But more and more people you run into in Germany already have a second messenger that is not owned by Meta in their phone and I would hence expect that WhatsApp's market share will drop over the next few years. Signal imo has the lead here as it works with phone numbers too, so you don't need to know someone else's handle
termaxima@slrpnk.net · 18 pts · 203d
"Companies" are a fundamentally fucked way to organize the economy.
Anything good a company does can be destroyed almost completely when someone buys them. We need to make structures that are fundamentally, legally resistant to this kinda thing.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 202d
Be honest
There you go. For the time being will be about a month or so and then it's time for the enshittification partyyyyy!
tourist@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 203d
threema balls
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 203d
With Proton, we shouldn't depend on their ecosystem. Diversify the products. Honestly, I think they'll end up shitty like Google.