cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/42070722
A masked guy breaks down your door w/o an Article III warrant absent exigent circumstances? Yeah, I'd agree. Trick will be that pressing the murder charge would be federal since a federal agent dies in the line of official work (though illegal), which would give the president grounds to push for death.
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Klox@lemmy.world · 66 pts · 236d
Every American knows what to do when on that jury.
snooggums@piefed.world · 24 pts · 236d
Unfortunately 40% would do the wrong thing just for a taste of some boot.
brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 236d
Conviction requires 100%
Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 236d
Only takes one to cause a hung jury. Rinse and repeat.
bishoponarope@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 236d
You can't ask those people to starve, they can't eat anything else but boot, clearly.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 235d
they lick it the leather off it.
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 236d
Local laws may vary but defense of others is typically seen as valid too. Imminent threat of nighttime home invasion is probably in a textbook as the obvious example of when a reasonable and capable person may intervene.
Masked armed thugs stacking up on your neighbor's door? Tally ho, motherfucker.
SARGE@startrek.website · 15 pts · 236d
Drusas@fedia.io · 7 pts · 235d
See, now, I went with a spear for personal home defense. Best weapon for the average idiot, you know.
P00ptart@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 235d
pauses claymore setup am I going too far?
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 235d
Highlander 2077
fratermus@piefed.social · 2 pts · 91d
just get the
FRONT TOWARD ENEMYpart right and you're golden. Deafened, but golden.Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 235d
and RPG, and a couple of mines.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 235d
why not booby trap
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 235d
That actually is illegal, assuming you aren't home. If you aren't home (and thus not in danger from home invaders), then setting up booby traps in your house doesn't count as self defense
Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 236d
FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 236d
Note, the law usually specifies defense of the innocent.
Even minor charges against the person you’re defending could complicate your legal case.
Steve@startrek.website · 6 pts · 236d
Thats what the jury is for
FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 236d
Juries that are notoriously well known for trusting cops and police testimony.
Drusas@fedia.io · 4 pts · 235d
Maybe a little less soon....
P00ptart@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 235d
But if they're not available for testimony...
FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 235d
You think every member of the Union won’t be up there on the stand to cry about how great a guy he was?
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 236d
It'd be complicated, sure, but that's a drop in the much larger bucket of a case. What does a reasonable person know or believe at the moment of the perceived danger though? Won't rule it out but can't see a courtroom conclusion stating that I should have hopped on my computer to do a background check first. I do have evidence of a murderous gang of terrorists targeting people (citizen or otherwise) on American soil, however, and they like to dress up in an imitation of police gear.
FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 236d
Don’t get me wrong, morally you’re almost certainly justified.
It’s just that historically self defense or defense of others claims on killing a law enforcement officer are a huge uphill battle in the courts.
It’s extremely rare for a court to find killing an officer justified.
victorz@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 236d
Arizona with a W rn, look at that
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 236d
But is it Arizonaw or Warizona?
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 235d
NoncredibleDefense votes for Warizona
HonorableScythe@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 235d
Based.
ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 231d
Based as fuck.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 236d
Not only will they shoot back, more of them will show up quickly. This would not end in court for you, methinks.
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 236d
Do the right thing and not have to go to court? But what's the downside?
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 236d
'you won't win, so why even bother trying'
Ioughttamow@fedia.io · 6 pts · 236d
Seems like they’d kill you anyways
Gonzako@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 235d
As the black panther said, be more than them and carry bigger guns
AshMan85@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 236d
So does the 4th and 2nd amendment