Not really. The political entity of a state gets to vote yes, and that does lead to different ratios of senators per person/electoral college votes per person (house representation is divided by population but minimum representation still skews it).
For example Alaska is the largest state, but in terms of population it ranks 48th. Meaning per person in the Senate it has more power per person than say California. However then you have a state like Vermont that is the 49th most populous state and ranks at 45th in size. Lower land area and population than Alaska. And yet it does have more representation per person in the Senate than Alaska. So it's not land that votes, it's states. Ironically the Senate was set up so "smaller" states like Rhode Island wouldn't get outvoted by larger states like "Virginia". Then since population densities were so much lower the larger a state was generally correlated with a larger population (more space to farm means it can support more people). Then the American west happened.
This of course also effects the electoral college, but that is divided up by population per state. The issue is each state must have a minimum number once again leading to lower population states getting more say per person.
And while yes this seems like it needs to reformed, the current events unfolding with ICE does make me want individual states to be stronger and have more authority to push back against the government. Then again if we voted strictly by population we likely wouldn't be in this mess either
Funny to hear "voting by population" as phrase that appears to be intended to obfuscate the fact that it means "just counting the votes" like literally every other democracy does.
Also, Vermont actually has exactly the same representation in the senate and house despite a higher population than Alaska, this example supports my statement, not yours.
That wasn't my intention. I wasn't trying to obfuscate anything. I said it that way to directly point to the reality that it is not done the way every other democratic county does it. Honestly jumping to "he's trying to deceive me!" is aggressive and doesn't give me hope this will be a productive conversation
Anyway, this is why I said senate representation per person. Since every state gets 2 Senators per state, regardless of population or land area, this means states with lower populations get the same level of representation. Without doing a ton of math this late in the evening let's say in California it's 1 senator per 15 million people. In Vermont its 1 senator per 300,000 people. That in effect is more representation per person. Same thing applies to the electoral college since states get a minimum number of electoral college votes.
And yeah the same representation for Vermont and Alaska proves my point actually. It's not based on size its based on state. It's not land voting its the state that votes. If land voted Alaska would have more representatives than Vermont.
Honestly this isn't even a disagreement to your main point. Electoral power in the US is not distributed by population. This is 100% true. It's just that it's divided up by state, not by land mass.
What can the show us that we haven't seen from the multiple angles of videos? Pretti steps between a woman and an agent, gets sprayed with pepper spray, is wrestled to the ground by multiple agents, they seem to remove his legally carried gun and walk away, then they kill him. It's not a single shot. It's not a burst of shots. It's one shot, a moment of silence, then many other shots to ensure death.
ICE is a also a diversion from the Epstein files which would bring the orange pedophile down, and he knows the Epstein files will do that. All stops are pulled to keep the Epstein files secret. He desperately moves to instill fear and chaos as a cover and delay tactic.
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NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 127 pts · 240d
“Elite” yeah ok.
hopesdead@startrek.website · 65 pts · 240d
And what border were they patrolling?
zikzak025@lemmy.world · 103 pts · 240d
The urban-rural border
hopesdead@startrek.website · 30 pts · 240d
This looks more like the coverage maps Verizon would display in television commercials.
cannedtuna@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 240d
And both are basically just population density maps anyway
AlexLost@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 240d
All that red is mostly empty space/farmland. It's not what it appears. Land doesn't get to vote.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 18 pts · 240d
It literally does in America.
arrow74@lemmy.zip · -5 pts · 240d
Not really. The political entity of a state gets to vote yes, and that does lead to different ratios of senators per person/electoral college votes per person (house representation is divided by population but minimum representation still skews it).
For example Alaska is the largest state, but in terms of population it ranks 48th. Meaning per person in the Senate it has more power per person than say California. However then you have a state like Vermont that is the 49th most populous state and ranks at 45th in size. Lower land area and population than Alaska. And yet it does have more representation per person in the Senate than Alaska. So it's not land that votes, it's states. Ironically the Senate was set up so "smaller" states like Rhode Island wouldn't get outvoted by larger states like "Virginia". Then since population densities were so much lower the larger a state was generally correlated with a larger population (more space to farm means it can support more people). Then the American west happened.
This of course also effects the electoral college, but that is divided up by population per state. The issue is each state must have a minimum number once again leading to lower population states getting more say per person.
And while yes this seems like it needs to reformed, the current events unfolding with ICE does make me want individual states to be stronger and have more authority to push back against the government. Then again if we voted strictly by population we likely wouldn't be in this mess either
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 4 pts · 240d
Funny to hear "voting by population" as phrase that appears to be intended to obfuscate the fact that it means "just counting the votes" like literally every other democracy does.
Also, Vermont actually has exactly the same representation in the senate and house despite a higher population than Alaska, this example supports my statement, not yours.
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 240d
That wasn't my intention. I wasn't trying to obfuscate anything. I said it that way to directly point to the reality that it is not done the way every other democratic county does it. Honestly jumping to "he's trying to deceive me!" is aggressive and doesn't give me hope this will be a productive conversation
Anyway, this is why I said senate representation per person. Since every state gets 2 Senators per state, regardless of population or land area, this means states with lower populations get the same level of representation. Without doing a ton of math this late in the evening let's say in California it's 1 senator per 15 million people. In Vermont its 1 senator per 300,000 people. That in effect is more representation per person. Same thing applies to the electoral college since states get a minimum number of electoral college votes.
And yeah the same representation for Vermont and Alaska proves my point actually. It's not based on size its based on state. It's not land voting its the state that votes. If land voted Alaska would have more representatives than Vermont.
Honestly this isn't even a disagreement to your main point. Electoral power in the US is not distributed by population. This is 100% true. It's just that it's divided up by state, not by land mass.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 240d
It sure fucking does.
44 million Californians have the same number of senators as a herd of buffalo in Wyoming.
massive_bereavement@fedia.io · 8 pts · 240d
The intelect border?
slothrop@lemmy.ca · 30 pts · 240d
2 of them almost got into high school!
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 240d
They score in the top percentile for being scared of their own shadows
coaxil@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 240d
Gravy seals!
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 240d
Meal team 6
lemmylommy@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 240d
Not gestapo but SS.
Tntnfsch@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 240d
Not SS but SA (Sturmabteilung)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 240d
Elite? Parody of elite. Wannabe elite. Caricature of elite. Gravy Seal Elite.
UnrefinedChihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 74 pts · 240d
Fatal killing. As opposed to...non-fatal killing? Who gets paid to write this shit.
crusa187@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 240d
Nobody, it’s AI slop presumably.
Tikiporch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 240d
Julia Ainsley and Daniel Arkin
comrade_twisty@feddit.org · 69 pts · 240d
Are we gonna get an AI generated bodycam video that completely contradicts all cellphone videos next?
lividweasel@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 240d
Nope. The only copy of the video will be involved in an unfortunate technical incident and will be lost permanently.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 240d
A falsified contradiction would be worse.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 240d
it's only a matter of time
crystalmerchant@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 240d
....which the public will surely never see.
Nor do we need to because, you fucking idiots, your actions are recorded in detail from six angles (and counting)
tyrant@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 240d
What can the show us that we haven't seen from the multiple angles of videos? Pretti steps between a woman and an agent, gets sprayed with pepper spray, is wrestled to the ground by multiple agents, they seem to remove his legally carried gun and walk away, then they kill him. It's not a single shot. It's not a burst of shots. It's one shot, a moment of silence, then many other shots to ensure death.
ramenshaman@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 240d
He emptied the clip.
RotatingParts@lemmy.ml · 21 pts · 240d
Release the video ... and the Epstein files.
rayyy@piefed.social · 3 pts · 240d
ICE is a also a diversion from the Epstein files which would bring the orange pedophile down, and he knows the Epstein files will do that. All stops are pulled to keep the Epstein files secret. He desperately moves to instill fear and chaos as a cover and delay tactic.
athatet@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 240d
Comments like these are brain dead. Project 2025 is the goal. They do not give half a shit about the Epstein Files.
queermunist@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 240d
Trump will be rounding us all up into fucking camps and you'll say it's a distraction from the Epstein files.
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 240d
Wait. There's even more proof?
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 19 pts · 240d
We don’t need to see that.
We know he was not brandishing a weapon. He wasn’t impeding ICE. He was asking them not to push a woman to the ground and recording them.
He wasn’t resisting arrest. He was trying to protect his head and body from getting beaten. He was unarmed when he was executed.
What more do you need? Fuck ICE.
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 240d
Execution
FelixCress@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 240d
*murder
drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 240d
I would not trust it. Not with AI being a thing.