Dude check this out. Inflation is bad right? So what if, hear me out, what if we made currency that was by design deflationary?? This way you keep your money in your account and it'll appreciate in value as long as you never spend it!
I've just got 2007-fridge class fuzzy logic, RIP me
can still point out to our Esteemed Poster that bitcoin has entirely failed (at scale) at anything transactive outside of being a prospection asset for those that can speculate
Even that would be superior to whatever it is you're bringing... after all, I can't be confident you're even fully capable of bowel control, due to the vast amounts of contraband narcotics all coiners habitually consume!
Donald Trump is one of the biggest coiners around, and he shit his pants on live TV the other day! And that's not the first time that's happened! You really expect me to believe some random fucko from lemmy.world is any better off? Especially if they're this deep in the bitcoin hog trough???
I don’t think it’s fair to blame Nakamoto for the way idiots have abused his invention (unless he’s a crypto bro and I don’t know about it, in which case, please pardon my ignorance).
Nakamoto didn't invent blockchains; Merkle did, in 1979. Nakamoto's paper presented a cryptographic scheme which could be used with a choice of blockchain. There are several non-cryptocurrency systems built around synchronizing blockchains, like git. However, Nakamoto was clearly an anarcho-libertarian trying to escape government currency controls, as the first line of the paper makes clear:
A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a financial institution.
Not knowing those two things about the Bitcoin paper is why you're getting downvoted. Nakamoto wasn't some random innocent researcher.
The tweet doesn’t say that he created bitcoin. It says he created blockchain. I didn’t want to assume something negative about a person without knowing for sure. For all I know, he’s just some random dude who’s good at math/coding, and others are responsible for the bitcoin nonsense.
I even admitted my ignorance on the topic, hoping for a straightforward answer, and you can see how well that worked out.
Well, Satoshi's whitepaper is called "Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System", so it's pretty obvious what the author(s) consider(s) its main contribution to be. Arguably, the concept of a blockchain wasn't invented by Satoshi (the idea of a ledger using Merkle trees of hashes existed before), neither was proof-of-work (the idea of requiring computation as a cost of performing an action also existed, e.g. to prevent email spam). The novelty was combining all that to create a currency system and the implementation. And the motivation spilling throughout the paper is very much libertarian and goldbuggy.
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Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems · 14 pts · 228d
Dude check this out. Inflation is bad right? So what if, hear me out, what if we made currency that was by design deflationary?? This way you keep your money in your account and it'll appreciate in value as long as you never spend it!
JadenSmith@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 228d
He's also responsible for dating apps matching you with someone who just wants to sell you crypto, the bastard.
I thought we had something, Bing Bing. I thought we had something!!!
Flax_vert@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 229d
It's a good system. Just got abused by the most annoying people imaginable.
PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 229d
Architeuthis@awful.systems · 32 pts · 229d
It feels more like a toy project that snowballed fueled by ideology and get-rich-quick schemes.
istewart@awful.systems · 12 pts · 228d
Yeah, the limited transaction rate is just the most obvious factor that indicates it's a proof-of-concept that got way out of hand.
fullsquare@awful.systems · 9 pts · 228d
in this case it's hard to tell one from the other
NABDad@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 228d
Don't forget about crime!
Ideology, get-rich-quick schemes, and crime!
TrashGoblin@awful.systems · 5 pts · 226d
Crime is actually the only use-case for cryptocurrency that I support. If only there was one without all the downsides.
froztbyte@awful.systems · 5 pts · 228d
zirp years go brrrrr
corbin@awful.systems · 12 pts · 228d
PHP is even older and even more successful. The test of time says nothing about quality.
froztbyte@awful.systems · 8 pts · 228d
indeed
apacheandnagioswere top of the heap for years, and yetPixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 228d
istewart@awful.systems · 9 pts · 228d
Counterpoint: No it doesn't.
PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 228d
istewart@awful.systems · 9 pts · 228d
I have the class-leading integrated logic of this fabulous Apple M1 SoC, what do you have? Your mother's Samsung smart fridge?
froztbyte@awful.systems · 8 pts · 228d
I've just got 2007-fridge class fuzzy logic, RIP me
can still point out to our Esteemed Poster that bitcoin has entirely failed (at scale) at anything transactive outside of being a prospection asset for those that can speculate
PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 228d
istewart@awful.systems · 10 pts · 228d
Even that would be superior to whatever it is you're bringing... after all, I can't be confident you're even fully capable of bowel control, due to the vast amounts of contraband narcotics all coiners habitually consume!
Donald Trump is one of the biggest coiners around, and he shit his pants on live TV the other day! And that's not the first time that's happened! You really expect me to believe some random fucko from lemmy.world is any better off? Especially if they're this deep in the bitcoin hog trough???
self@awful.systems · 7 pts · 228d
holy shit what the fuck is wrong with you
Eheran@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 228d
Why was this all removed? Did you edit your comments to make them offensive or something?
magnetosphere@fedia.io · -8 pts · 228d
I don’t think it’s fair to blame Nakamoto for the way idiots have abused his invention (unless he’s a crypto bro and I don’t know about it, in which case, please pardon my ignorance).
Edit: what don’t I know?
corbin@awful.systems · 16 pts · 228d
Nakamoto didn't invent blockchains; Merkle did, in 1979. Nakamoto's paper presented a cryptographic scheme which could be used with a choice of blockchain. There are several non-cryptocurrency systems built around synchronizing blockchains, like git. However, Nakamoto was clearly an anarcho-libertarian trying to escape government currency controls, as the first line of the paper makes clear:
Not knowing those two things about the Bitcoin paper is why you're getting downvoted. Nakamoto wasn't some random innocent researcher.
magnetosphere@fedia.io · 9 pts · 228d
Thank you! This was the information I was looking for. Apologies to everyone I annoyed.
FredFig@awful.systems · 8 pts · 228d
We've been begging people for 17 years to understand that reality matters.
magnetosphere@fedia.io · 1 pts · 228d
…okay?
V0ldek@awful.systems · 7 pts · 228d
I'm sorry but like why do you think Satoshi created Bitcoin, like what was the purpose of that paper?
magnetosphere@fedia.io · 0 pts · 228d
The tweet doesn’t say that he created bitcoin. It says he created blockchain. I didn’t want to assume something negative about a person without knowing for sure. For all I know, he’s just some random dude who’s good at math/coding, and others are responsible for the bitcoin nonsense.
I even admitted my ignorance on the topic, hoping for a straightforward answer, and you can see how well that worked out.
ebu@awful.systems · 12 pts · 228d
... is someone forcing you to type these comments? use an em-dash if yes, ascii hyphen if no
V0ldek@awful.systems · 7 pts · 228d
Well, Satoshi's whitepaper is called "Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System", so it's pretty obvious what the author(s) consider(s) its main contribution to be. Arguably, the concept of a blockchain wasn't invented by Satoshi (the idea of a ledger using Merkle trees of hashes existed before), neither was proof-of-work (the idea of requiring computation as a cost of performing an action also existed, e.g. to prevent email spam). The novelty was combining all that to create a currency system and the implementation. And the motivation spilling throughout the paper is very much libertarian and goldbuggy.
ebu@awful.systems · 4 pts · 228d
i think you've answered your own question there
BagOfHeavyStones@piefed.social · -12 pts · 229d
Could have been better, but the big blockers lost out to greed.
self@awful.systems · 13 pts · 228d
I’m not clear on what made you coiner fuckers think buttcoin was right for you
XLE@piefed.social · 11 pts · 228d
So at absolute best, the system has built-in incentives for the greedy (and nobody should have been positive about it to begin with)?
istewart@awful.systems · 7 pts · 228d
Oh, that finally explains it after all these years, BBC stands for Big Blocker (Coins)
x00z@lemmy.world · -18 pts · 228d
I support crypto but hate proof-of-work.
self@awful.systems · 18 pts · 228d
i love smoking but hate lung cancer
haha ok
ebu@awful.systems · 14 pts · 228d
"but what about proof of stake??!1?” is almost old enough to drive a car at this point
fullsquare@awful.systems · 12 pts · 228d
does it mean that libertarians will lose interest in it real soon
mawhrin@awful.systems · 10 pts · 227d
i'm all for staking. specifically, i'm all for staking the bloody vampires.
swlabr@awful.systems · 9 pts · 227d
smdh for not welcoming vampires in for peaceful discourse and good faith debates instead
mawhrin@awful.systems · 5 pts · 226d
i already have to be pleasant and composed while intercting with the managerial class.
froztbyte@awful.systems · 7 pts · 228d
I’d ask you to prove your work but fortunately you’ve already left through the window