That's not the biggest issue if there was a healthy competitive market. But if go full on Chinese low priced, government subsidized, good/great/innovative EVs, we might end up destroying the industry outside China and we'll get stuck with Chinese for good. This would be problematic for every monopoly, not just Chinese, but they are really kicking asses with EVs.
They're saying that US vehicles are also government subsidized, they just pocketed the money instead of actually improving their products. So comparing the Chinese products to the US ones isn't unfair, the US products really are that bad and they deserve to fail.
Stupid general question, but why are there so many articles comparing BYD and Tesla, but ignore every other EV company. It is fine in a headline, but at least in the article itself, there should be some sort of list of the sales of other brands or companies. It is not just happening in Australia, but also in a lot of other countries and often ignores some big players.
Probably because in 2011 Musk laughed at them and now they are outselling Tesla. There is also the general unease of China rapidly breaking into markets that where previously dominated by western countries.
People love a good underdog story (as much as you can call a ginormous company an underdog anyway). I agree with OP though, would be nice to have all the data in the body of the article
Forbes has reported that Tesla's have the highest crash rates two years in a row, Germany says Teslas have the highest safety inspection fail rates. North America doesn't safety inspect, so they're good!
I've been enjoying watching musk lose left and right lately. He'll never get justice for the terrible shit he's done and continues to do but there is some mild satisfaction in watching his major operations slowly coming apart
Hopefully it's sustained but in general it's a bad idea to look at Monthly Data because it's more volatile than quarterly data - heavily affected by shipping and OEM registration practices, especially with Tesla. In UK Tesla always starts a quarter slow and finishes stronger.
Edit: here you can see what I mean: generally 3000 vehicles sold in the first month of a quarter, then 10 times that by the end of the quarter
generally 3000 vehicles sold in the first month of a quarter, then 10 times that by the end of the quarter
Tesla was caught in Canada generating fake sales to grab government subsidies. Tesla is supposed to be build-to-order, but CDN Tesla stores all have hundreds of cars parked unsold in huge lots.
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bear@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 25 pts · 200d
A better car, sold at a better price. Plus, you're not benefiting the richest Nazi saluter in history. What's not to like?
Mihies@programming.dev · 8 pts · 200d
Chinese monopoly?
Delphia@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 200d
The number of chinese parts on non chinese cars makes this slightly easier to stomach.
zurohki@aussie.zone · 11 pts · 200d
Also there's the fact that Australia doesn't have a car industry, so it's a choice between imported cars and other imported cars.
Mihies@programming.dev · 4 pts · 200d
That's not the biggest issue if there was a healthy competitive market. But if go full on Chinese low priced, government subsidized, good/great/innovative EVs, we might end up destroying the industry outside China and we'll get stuck with Chinese for good. This would be problematic for every monopoly, not just Chinese, but they are really kicking asses with EVs.
zurohki@aussie.zone · 12 pts · 200d
Okay, but buying terrible, expensive vehicles from companies that fight tooth and nail to continue focusing on huge petrol SUVs isn't going to help.
Mihies@programming.dev · 2 pts · 200d
AFAIK we have some decent EUropean alternatives. But yes, the situation sucks in general.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 200d
Holy shit, Lemmy, maybe a little reading would help your hot takes.
The US government paid out $85B to Detroit in 2008 and since then their vehicles have only gotten bigger, less reliable and more expensive.
Tesla alone got $15B in various credits. It's the only way they make money.
Mihies@programming.dev · 2 pts · 200d
DidDoes this contradictswhat I wrote somehow?zurohki@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 199d
They're saying that US vehicles are also government subsidized, they just pocketed the money instead of actually improving their products. So comparing the Chinese products to the US ones isn't unfair, the US products really are that bad and they deserve to fail.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 199d
of course it does.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 1 pts · 200d
What monopoly?
MrMakabar@slrpnk.net · 10 pts · 200d
Stupid general question, but why are there so many articles comparing BYD and Tesla, but ignore every other EV company. It is fine in a headline, but at least in the article itself, there should be some sort of list of the sales of other brands or companies. It is not just happening in Australia, but also in a lot of other countries and often ignores some big players.
e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 200d
Probably because in 2011 Musk laughed at them and now they are outselling Tesla. There is also the general unease of China rapidly breaking into markets that where previously dominated by western countries.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 200d
Nissan outsold Tesla worldwide for years.
Media ignores Nissan has been making EVs as long as Tesla.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 200d
People love a good underdog story (as much as you can call a ginormous company an underdog anyway). I agree with OP though, would be nice to have all the data in the body of the article
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 200d
Cadillac sales jumped 70% on their new EVs.
NatakuNox@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 200d
Tesla has been hiding data that shows their cars are a death trap.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 200d
Forbes has reported that Tesla's have the highest crash rates two years in a row, Germany says Teslas have the highest safety inspection fail rates. North America doesn't safety inspect, so they're good!
frunch@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 200d
I've been enjoying watching musk lose left and right lately. He'll never get justice for the terrible shit he's done and continues to do but there is some mild satisfaction in watching his major operations slowly coming apart
dxgsthrr@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 200d
Hopefully it's sustained but in general it's a bad idea to look at Monthly Data because it's more volatile than quarterly data - heavily affected by shipping and OEM registration practices, especially with Tesla. In UK Tesla always starts a quarter slow and finishes stronger.
Edit: here you can see what I mean: generally 3000 vehicles sold in the first month of a quarter, then 10 times that by the end of the quarter
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 199d
Tesla was caught in Canada generating fake sales to grab government subsidies. Tesla is supposed to be build-to-order, but CDN Tesla stores all have hundreds of cars parked unsold in huge lots.