I worry that with the tools we have now, it changes how fascism works. They failed over and over and over until they are given what is essentially a nuclear weapon. It's not just the internet. It's amount of wealth in the hands of people who never deserved it. It's the number of middling average men with tremendous power and money. It's not like the 40s where there was more limits on basic things, logistic and communication.
The more were fight it the more short lived it will be.
And by fighting I am taking to take some action beyond posting on social media. Unfortunately a lot of young people engage in social media activism which sadly does very little.
More of us elders need to step up and set the example. It's easy for the young folk to get disillusioned with the painfully slow process of building a movement, but the only way to force change is logistics, organization, and tenacity.
I disagree. I think social media plays a much larger role in this then anyone is willing to admit.
Just look at the effort by people who want power to to manipulate and own social media.
Whare i think needs to happen is the left need to go back to their roots. Create their own bots. Leverage ai. Confront them on every social media space
What they want to control is the algorithm that decides who sees what you post.
Everyone thinks that they have a platform, but that's just an illusion, what everyone else sees is decided by the algorithm. It is essentially like a TV station that is personalized to each viewer.
You can manipulate public opinion. This is especially worse with generative AI, as now you can generate content without needing users that would spread message you want to amplify. You just generate the content you want.
This is why billionaires want to control it, because it gives them power to persuade you what to buy, how to vote, what causes you want to support etc.
You as an ordinary person don't matter, when they control the algorithm they can simply mute you.
That's why activism on social media is just an illusion. If you go on the street it is much harder to filter you.
They can only control certain aspects of the variable. They still have parts you can control. They still need their people to view posts and guess what, those posts still have comments.
I don't actually think "they" control it in the way you think. I still think it's profit and engagement based. They feed you stuff based on total user engagement. That's why the are so many bots on the left that keep telling everyone on the left to disengage or quit the major platforms. They want to rebalance the algorithm to their content.
It's a numbers game. The goal is to create more content. There's a study that shows it takes a small percentage of a group to shift their views for the entire group to change. It's 10%. The other aspect is the views expressed can't be loose. They have to be incredibly immovable and confident. This is what the bots are doing on the right. The solution would be to mimic that, not avoid it. It just depends if you're looking to stop or fight them or if you're just casually wanting to observe and complain daily. Social media is one of the critical tools for fascists.
Oh my yes, and it will take effort now. But it gladdens my heart to see these assholes cannot truly build anything or lead anywhere. Their empire is poisoned at the onset, and will crumble.
Hungarian here, one of my great-grandfathers were arrested during 1956 for being at the wrong place, the secret police tortured him until he confessed crimes he didn't commit, and he was lucky he didn't get either death penalty, or tortured so severely that it would have turned him disabled for the rest of his life. He was later (circa 2010) advised to stop talking about it being the result of arrest quotas, due to potential foreign regime changes in the future (!) by anti communist NGOs after 2010, now I know why.
ICE operates like every other secret police ever, including communist ones. Arrest/shoot/deport first, cover up later, torture people until they confess some heinious crimes.
That is part of the problem. You view McCarthyism as a lesson in inhumanity, they view it as a stepping stone to get what they want.
This goes for every lesson "progressives" think society has learned. Take Vietnam. A lesson in why we shouldn't kill civilians. For them, a lesson in how to keep the public insulated from war.
To say they are garbage people is really too kind.
They do know that the whole united states has 2nd amendment rights, right? I say we really show those ice pussies what that means before they succeed in removing the 2nd.
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Armand1@lemmy.world · 70 pts · 202d
Mental gymnastics on full display
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 202d
I wish one day we can look back at all this like we do with McCarthyism. But I'm also really concerned we won't
Protoknuckles@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 202d
If we survive past it, we definitely will. Fascism eats itself from the inside out.
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 202d
I worry that with the tools we have now, it changes how fascism works. They failed over and over and over until they are given what is essentially a nuclear weapon. It's not just the internet. It's amount of wealth in the hands of people who never deserved it. It's the number of middling average men with tremendous power and money. It's not like the 40s where there was more limits on basic things, logistic and communication.
GreenBeard@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 202d
It's the whole "surviving long enough to look back" part that people worry about.
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 202d
The more were fight it the more short lived it will be.
And by fighting I am taking to take some action beyond posting on social media. Unfortunately a lot of young people engage in social media activism which sadly does very little.
GreenBeard@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 202d
More of us elders need to step up and set the example. It's easy for the young folk to get disillusioned with the painfully slow process of building a movement, but the only way to force change is logistics, organization, and tenacity.
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 202d
Totally agree.
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 202d
I disagree. I think social media plays a much larger role in this then anyone is willing to admit.
Just look at the effort by people who want power to to manipulate and own social media.
Whare i think needs to happen is the left need to go back to their roots. Create their own bots. Leverage ai. Confront them on every social media space
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 202d
What they want to control is the algorithm that decides who sees what you post.
Everyone thinks that they have a platform, but that's just an illusion, what everyone else sees is decided by the algorithm. It is essentially like a TV station that is personalized to each viewer.
You can manipulate public opinion. This is especially worse with generative AI, as now you can generate content without needing users that would spread message you want to amplify. You just generate the content you want.
This is why billionaires want to control it, because it gives them power to persuade you what to buy, how to vote, what causes you want to support etc.
You as an ordinary person don't matter, when they control the algorithm they can simply mute you.
That's why activism on social media is just an illusion. If you go on the street it is much harder to filter you.
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 202d
They can only control certain aspects of the variable. They still have parts you can control. They still need their people to view posts and guess what, those posts still have comments.
I don't actually think "they" control it in the way you think. I still think it's profit and engagement based. They feed you stuff based on total user engagement. That's why the are so many bots on the left that keep telling everyone on the left to disengage or quit the major platforms. They want to rebalance the algorithm to their content.
It's a numbers game. The goal is to create more content. There's a study that shows it takes a small percentage of a group to shift their views for the entire group to change. It's 10%. The other aspect is the views expressed can't be loose. They have to be incredibly immovable and confident. This is what the bots are doing on the right. The solution would be to mimic that, not avoid it. It just depends if you're looking to stop or fight them or if you're just casually wanting to observe and complain daily. Social media is one of the critical tools for fascists.
stressballs@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 202d
This is an X narrative. I recognize it from my TRANS family member who is in their early 20s and won't leave Twitter.
They literally called it the front page of the internet.
Only when I asked them why Republicans and Trump and other entities are so afraid of protesting did they relent.
Online networks manifest as real world actions. Period.
Being informed is the first step. If you don't have that you continue to do nothing while your enemies flourish.
If the left doesn't reexamine the Twitter narratives pushed since Musk bought Twitter, we have already lost to our enemies.
MeToo didn't go too far. Neither did pronouns.
Biden didn't prosecute Trump or Epstein's other conspirators and this is what we get. That's what happened. We didn't go far enough.
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 202d
You're assuming that sites like Twitter will be fair to you regardless of the stances you have.
One that controls the algorithm controls the message.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 202d
Last time it took a lot more than just letting it eat itself from the inside out
Protoknuckles@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 202d
Oh my yes, and it will take effort now. But it gladdens my heart to see these assholes cannot truly build anything or lead anywhere. Their empire is poisoned at the onset, and will crumble.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 202d
Hungarian here, one of my great-grandfathers were arrested during 1956 for being at the wrong place, the secret police tortured him until he confessed crimes he didn't commit, and he was lucky he didn't get either death penalty, or tortured so severely that it would have turned him disabled for the rest of his life. He was later (circa 2010) advised to stop talking about it being the result of arrest quotas, due to potential foreign regime changes in the future (!) by anti communist NGOs after 2010, now I know why.
ICE operates like every other secret police ever, including communist ones. Arrest/shoot/deport first, cover up later, torture people until they confess some heinious crimes.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 201d
That is part of the problem. You view McCarthyism as a lesson in inhumanity, they view it as a stepping stone to get what they want.
This goes for every lesson "progressives" think society has learned. Take Vietnam. A lesson in why we shouldn't kill civilians. For them, a lesson in how to keep the public insulated from war.
To say they are garbage people is really too kind.
VeryVito@lemmy.ml · 41 pts · 202d
favoredponcho@lemmy.zip · 22 pts · 202d
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 202d
As are all the cops in the US
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 202d
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 202d
Those damn communists want ICE to get warrants before invading possible CARTEL MEMBER houses.
They even want ILLEGAL GANGS to have due process and right of an attorney instead of being shot in the streets
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 202d
We can start with something a little easier if you'd like.
Stop shooting unarmed protesters.
tanisnikana@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 200d
This but unironically.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 202d
And I can't wait for them to cave on every single one
DevotedShitStain69@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 201d
They do know that the whole united states has 2nd amendment rights, right? I say we really show those ice pussies what that means before they succeed in removing the 2nd.