Do Democrats Have a Plan for the Post-Trump World Order?
https://prospect.org/2026/02/18/democrats-nato-europe-new-world-order-munich-security-conference/
https://prospect.org/2026/02/18/democrats-nato-europe-new-world-order-munich-security-conference/
48 Comments
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 44 pts · 205d
Blackfeathr@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 205d
Cap'ns got a new text document on his hat
Did someone seriously screenshot their desktop to send a meme?
Fizz@lemmy.nz · 6 pts · 205d
Dystopian behaviour
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 205d
Try finding it without the text document on it... bet you can't... I've fucking tried.
grue@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 205d
You'll have to crop the sides off to get rid of the imgflip and ifunny watermarks (which is no big deal because it'd still be the same size as your version), but here ya go:
Took me all of 30 seconds to find in a DDG image search for "cyberpunk dystopia meme."
Wilco@lemmy.zip · 30 pts · 205d
Let me guess ... the plan is to reach across the table and compromise ... then move on and not dwell on this dark time in history.
Kirp123@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 205d
Yep, just like last time.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 205d
And let MAGA control everything, even when Dems were voted in, because we have to be fair to treasonous corrupt violent racist pedophiles.
dhork@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 205d
I have secret footage of the Democrats' plan to recruit Progressives to vote for them:
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 206d
Lol
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 18 pts · 206d
"Whatever the rich people tell us to do, same as always."
GraniteM@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 205d
Humanity Surprised It Still Hasn’t Figured Out Better Alternative To Letting Power-Hungry Assholes Decide Everything
kreskin@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 205d
whatever it is, it cant be centrism. Centrism cant win elections. I'm just assuming there will be elections in the post trump order.
osanna@thebrainbin.org · 3 pts · 205d
meanwhile in australia, the far right leader of the opposition got SLAUGHTERED in the election because he was too far right, while the centre party won by a fucking landslide.
kreskin@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 205d
I'd bet that Australias lack of systemic corruption is going to inflate the hell out of the AUD. I should move my funds over while the rates are still reasonable. In the past year USD:AUS exchange rate has gone from .63 USD per AUD to .71 USD per AUD. Thats a huge rate of return.
exaybachae@startrek.website · 12 pts · 205d
So the real leftist plan isn't being played out in politics, it's being played out in business.
Join a co-op or credit union today.
Support local and sustainable businesses.
Support non-profits.
If you can, buy a for-profit and convert it to a non-profit or a non-profit co-op.
Most of the people at the top on the left don't have the drive or the power to enact real meaningful change in our lives, but voting left when you can is still the right thing to do politically. It at least makes it harder for the far right to gain yet more ground.
Like cancer, you can't just ask it nicely to stop killing you, you have to cut it all out.
But unlike cancer in a human body, we can also escape this cancers influence by simply building a separate cancer free body.
Technically we can do both, and hedge out bets a bit, but one is much easier to do than the other.
minorkeys@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 205d
They don't yet have a plan for a Current-Trump world.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 5 pts · 205d
minorkeys@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 204d
The_Lurker@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 206d
Whine ineffectually?
myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 205d
No.
laranis@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 205d
If you're still not convinced the Dems aren't gonna save us go watch the Raskin interview on YT with the LegalEagle guy.
I almost yeeted my phone when Raskin was asked, "So, Bondi didn't answer a single question. What's next?" "LOL we haven't thought that far ahead. We're busy getting reelected."
That's not an exaggeration or hyperbole. That's exactly what he said.
Ghostie@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 205d
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 205d
Their entire platform since Trump was running is "We're not as BAD as Trump." Their messaging really sucks for one on top of being actually truthful.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 205d
And before Obama they were running on just Bush bad
switcheroo@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 205d
Spoiler alert: they do not.
With the dinosaurs sucking down those billionaire bribes, if we can't remove them for new progressive YOUNGER blood, then the Democratic party is going to implode.
Hopefully the republikkkans go first, ofc...
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 7 pts · 206d
The party policy platform gets redrafted every 4 years, so the 24 plan runs until the 28 plan is drafted. SOURCE Same plan as ever:
Tax the rich
Remove money from politics
Fight poverty
Support bodily autonomy and human rights
Regulate industry
Uphold the laws even on against our own
In addition I think it's very clear that they will recontinue the USAID program that saved millions of lives overseas, and despite the irreparable harm of the Trump admin I think it will be well received when they do. They will also stop enforcing the Trump Tariffs which he never even had the power to implement in the first place.
They have not had enough senators (more than 48) to do much of anything outside of bipartisan bills and cramming everything into funding bills for over 13 years. If they can accomplish this, though, I think positive foreign relations will naturally form and that the majority of trade and mutual defence, though not all of it, will return.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 206d
The article clarified "Democrats" as in the ones who went to Germany, not the party as a whole.
So there was answers from AOC as well Newsom, and they were vastly different
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 205d
Newsom is fucking clueless. Whether or not Trump is gone in three years (and none of us are banking on that), the voters who elected him, twice, are still around.
This is the thing that way too many Americans still can't their head around. Our problem isn't with Trump. Not really. Our real problem is America. And we're done getting burned for being your friends.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 205d
Not at all. He knows what his rich donors like.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 205d
Buddy, when Gallup stopped polling it, he was like 29% approval? Maybe 27%?
The problem is oligarchs and that neoliberals and Republicans both tried to give them anything they wanted for 30 years.
That's over, the neoliberls lost the DNC a year ago. Like, I get your feeling, 16 months ago I felt the same.
But a lot of shit has happened you don't seem up to speed on
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 205d
Buddy, we're up to speed on all of it. And I'm glad, I'm glad for all of you that Trump's approval is cratering, that progressives might have a chance to take over the DNC. Those are good things. I'm excited to see the resistance coming out of Minnesota. I'm happy that there is a real hunger for change.
But you're not out here with us. You don't see what's going on outside the US.
We're done. We're done with your bullshit. We want the best for you, we want decent Americans to get their country back... But it's like wanting to see your brother kick the drug habit and sort his shit out. It doesn't mean you're suddenly going to let him watch the house for a week.
Say you kick out Trump again... Why is this time going to be any different from 2020? From 2008? As a nation, you guys have a problem, and that road to recovery, and rebuilding trust, is going to be a lot longer than just getting your six month chit. We'll cheer for you, but we're done saddling our fortunes to the whims of a bunch of racist morons in Iowa or fucking wherever. The world is pivoting away from the US, because we can no longer afford to put our trust in a nation whose voters simply do not take the responsibility that comes with all that power seriously.
The part of Carney's speech that struck the strongest chord with the world wasn't when he said that the old order is over. It's when he reminded us all that it was only ever a compromise to begin with. We accepted a world led by the US, because it was just good enough and easy enough, and we put up with all the costs and burdens that came with that. And yeah, a lot of that is on us, because we didn't want to do the hard work of building something better. But it was never exactly great having our fortunes saddled to yours. Do you know that in 2008 Canadian banks basically rode out the financial crisis unscathed, because unlike the US, we didn't massively deregulate our financial sector in the 80s? And yet, we were still plunged into a recession, because we get to eat shit for every bad decision our ally makes. Do you know that when Trump came after us in his first term with all his tariffs, we literally just dusted off the playbooks we've written over decades of dealing with that exact scenario, because we're just used to the US deciding every few years that it's time to beat up our economy?
This goes so much deeper than just Trump, and until Americans can see that, there's never going to be any hope of rebuilding the trust you've lost.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 205d
You're right, but solving the immediate problem is a necessary precondition to solving the bigger, deeper problem. And we haven't solved the immediate problem yet.
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 205d
In 2020 I turned to my wife after reading some election coverage and said "If Biden wins this election, he'll basically guarantee a Republican win in 2024. And it'll be Trump or someone worse."
Only thinking about getting rid of Trump, and not putting any thought to what comes after is exactly how America ended up in this situation. Dems had no plan because they thought they didn't need one. They assumed they could just return to business as usual and everything would work out. And voters punished them for that hubris.
The sentiments Newsom is echoing today are the same sentiments I saw in 2020; this is just an anomaly, don't worry about it, we'll be back to our old selves any day now...
It's not enough. Yes, getting rid of Trump is step one. But step one of parachuting is to jump out of a plane, and you should probably have figured out what step two is before you do that.
Blindly trusting that getting rid of Trump will solve all your problems is going to put you in even deeper shit very, very fast.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · -5 pts · 206d
That's fair but I think the party platform represents the party better than a few extremes.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 206d
But no one is talking about "the party" except you...
Because you just read the headline, and even after I explicitly clarified for you, it still seems like you don't understand.
Edit:
Not to mention the 2024 platform was Biden/Kamala and before Martin took over the party.
Like, logically what you did makes absolutely zero sense bud. Those platforms are for if the Dems candidate wins...
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · -4 pts · 205d
When the Headline is a Question you will recieve an Answer.
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 205d
They haven't a plan period.
pregnantwithrage@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 205d
Nope
ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 206d
The Democrats don't seem to have a plan for 5 minutes from now, let alone for 3 or so years in the future.
But it sounds like they're in good company. Established politicians all over Europe seem lost by the current direction of global politics. Based on thus sticks there's lots of vague ideals with no implementation - more than you'd even expect to see normally.
And the Republican party is getting witlessly dragged along in the wake of those running the Trump administration. And it seems like even those 'masterminds' are just aggressively winging it based on the high-level objectives they outlined in Project 2025.
Everyone is lost and stumbling around in the dark. Some might have a faded glow stick in their hand, but that's not much help.
EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 206d
No, they will keep everything trump has implemented and blame a rotating villain when they preformativly try and repeal some of the changes
Zaktor@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 205d
Most of the changes aren't law so they don't need approval from anyone else to be repealed. Whether or not that means they'll actually do that is the question, but if they don't the only villain is the president.
devolution@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 206d
We need something besides AOC vs Newsom vs Vance.
Numinous_Ylem@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 206d
This is true, but it will be a real miracle if we even end up with AOC vs Vance instead of Newsom vs Vance
devolution@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 205d
Part of me is thinking AOC - D, Vance - R, Newsom - I.
Newsom being I is the same reason Cuomo went I.
TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 206d
I think the new world order should be international democracy and the rule of law. But, laws require enforcement and that means some kind of global government entity must be created that has the authority to enact and enforce laws.
That's essentially the role the US has filled since the end of WWII. We have been the unofficial world police. Some people don't want that to change, but there are a couple of reasons why it should. One, the US is unelected and unaccountable. For a state to govern legitimately, it must have the consent of the governed. Outside of NATO, and perhaps a few other countries, no consent was given to the US, nor did the US care to seek consent. Two, the US has primarily pursued our own interests, and that of our allies. That's thuggery, not the rule of law.
Of course, what should happen and will happen aren't necessarily the same thing, unfortunately.
gukleszl4hs48ughgxhr5xgd@fedia.io · 4 pts · 206d
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inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 205d
Paging Betterridge.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 205d
betteridge says no