Microsoft claims "2026 is the moment" for AI PCs, but its essay-length beginner explanation only creates more confusion — Is it any wonder adoption is slow?
https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/microsoft-ai-pc-learning-center-slow-adoption
https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/microsoft-ai-pc-learning-center-slow-adoption
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atropa@piefed.social · 56 pts · 182d
Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip · 7 pts · 182d
I'm on the hunt for a replacement for my Surface, but sure as shit not getting anything with copilot. Curious what alternatives are out there.
Linux options seem a little light on the tablet front.
deleted@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 182d
I installed Ubuntu in my surface go 2 and it’s light years ahead of windows in terms of performance.
I couldn’t get the camera to work though. But other than that it’s rock solid.
mrspaz@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 181d
I put Mint on my Surface Pro 5, it works quite nicely so far. Granted I do "typical" stuff on it like web browsing, email, basic picture editing, and some chats, but for those things everything's working fine.
The only different part of the install was installing the Surface kernel after the fact: https://github.com/linux-surface/linux-surface
Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 181d
Great to know! Does the pen still generally work for writing/notes? Also any clue if things work well with the newer generations?
Last I dug into Linux on the SP, it was a 3-4 generation lag on stable compatibility. My tablet is nearing EOL (because the charge port sucks and mine doesnt support USB-C charging as a fallback). If I replace it I don't love replacing it with something used, 4 years old, that may have a short life.
mrspaz@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 181d
The pen seems to work fine so far.
They show fairly decent compatibility with newer models: https://github.com/linux-surface/linux-surface/wiki/Supported-Devices-and-Features#feature-matrix
Looks like the SP5 - 7 are the sweet spot however.
circuscritic@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 182d
https://reddit.com/r/surfacelinux/
yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 182d
seems like raspberry pi os on touchscreen devices supports on-screen keyboards and basic touch-screen features. There's also the Librem 11 tablet, that runs linux on an Intel chip with Gnome.
ageedizzle@piefed.ca · -1 pts · 182d
Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip · 4 pts · 182d
Touch inputs can be a little messy, driver support for closed source hardware (e.g., MS Surface) is understandably rocky, and I've had bad experience with battery longevity especially on open source hardware.
My 6-year-old SP battery still has ~70% capacity, which is teriffic. I have had other laptops lose 90% of their capacity after just a year or two, so I'm skeptical of the tablet market.
I'm not saying good Linux tablets don't exist, just that I'm looking for recommendations since the waters feel murkier to me.
ageedizzle@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 181d
Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 182d
Mint runs great on my dell tablet. Touch screen works fine although I haven't tried it with a pen yet.
ageedizzle@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 181d
Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 181d
Dell Latitude 5290. It's starting to show it's age but linux has made it snappy. Even runs lightweight steam games.
ageedizzle@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 181d
Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 152d
I know this is an old comment but for anyone in the future that's wondering, I'm happy to say the Dell Pen does work out of the box on Mint. I tested with Krita and even the pressure sensitivity works perfectly!
THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 182d
I still play Gears of War and Forza, unfortunately. Hopefully someone gets native Microslop games working on Linux soon.
sorter_plainview@lemmy.today · 40 pts · 182d
Yeah.. It is the Windows that finally pushed me the fastest to install Linux. I was very comfortable with Debian servers as part of my work, but never managed to switch my daily driver. Two weeks ago that happened. Peace..
one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 182d
Debian servers... But what direction did you go for your daily driver? There is no wrong answer, but I like hearing how people migrate over.
I was the same as you, btw, started with Debian servers be it an Apache Cloudstack hypervisor, or k8s host.
But because I decided to go with a tiling Windows manager, somehow I ended up down the hyprland rabbit hole on Arch.
sorter_plainview@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 182d
So I haven't felt the need to go with a tiling compositors. I already use multiple munitors, and kind of have designated spots for the apps I use.
I love stability and don't want any surprises after Windows made enough surprises. So decided to go with Debian Trixie, and KDE.
But I use Arch in my spare laptop, btw. EndeavorOS where I experiment some stuff. Maybe down the line I will give hyprland a try on my spare first.
one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 181d
EndeavorOS... I've been wanting to try that... Although I heard some good things about CachyOS and need to try that one first.
That said if you're on the hyprland journey, you may look at Omarchy, it is basically Arch with hyprland preconfigured. Not a huge deal, but simple for a test.
KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 181d
Isn't the developer of Omarchy a right-wing conspiracy theorist?
one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 181d
It's made by DHH, the Creator of Ruby on rails... I can't tell you if he is a right wing conspiracy theorist because I simply haven't done the research.
qaeta@lemmy.ca · 27 pts · 181d
My next computer will be Linux because of all this nonsense. The only thing that was keeping me on Windows was gaming, and Valve has solved that issue for every game I play via Proton. Sayonara MicroSlop!
Bruncvik@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 181d
My current computer will be Linux, as soon as I stop procrastinating and clean up my documents and back them up on my NAS. Already did that with my travel laptop.
qaeta@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 178d
Eh, my current computer is a laptop where the screen only works at 60hz, but it's default refresh rate is 120hz so I can't actually see anything (such as the bios or boot options) until Windows has started and forced it back to 60hz. Otherwise I would have switched months ago.
GutterRat42@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 182d
I am trying to see if I can get away switching to linux
one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 182d
I have... Moved my gaming over to it... Admittedly better since I don't play anything like cod or bf. But you can keep a dual boot just in case. Still plays horizon zero dawn, fallen Jedi, borderlands 4(probably better on Linux), and Doom Eternal. Also Rocket League.
If you're truly interested, reach out to the community. We got your back.
bourrelier@jlai.lu · 3 pts · 182d
Are you using pop!_os or another distro ?
one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 181d
Uh... My journey actually started with Nobara after researching. But I wanted to try hyprland, so switched to Arch.
One of the things I like about Arch is the yay util designed to build packages basically straight from GitHub, and provide an easy way to upgrade them.
I will also go ahead and say that jumping straight to Arch is a bad idea. I would look at Ubuntu or Fedora first. Arch pushes updates really quickly and it can occasionally cause issues.
bourrelier@jlai.lu · 2 pts · 181d
Thanks for you answer. I'm a novice concerning linux. I wish too leave microsoft but i'm a bit afraid of breaking my computer.
So far i'm hesitating between mint and pop!_os in dual boot
one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 181d
Honestly, I would say either of those are good options to start with. I sincerely doubt fully breaking the PC. Maybe research Linux for your GPU, you may have multiple options. It may be worth a second hard drive so you can easily swap back and forth until you are fully comfortable. Dual booting on the same HDD is also possible, but more annoying.
Personal issue I ran into: motherboard customization on my big gamer doesn't work without Windows... Not a huge deal, but my Rainbow LED runs its animation in reverse. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
bourrelier@jlai.lu · 2 pts · 181d
Good idea ! I will install it on an external HDD (I have a laptop), so if there is any problem my computer will still be safe. And once i'll will be use to it (in 6 months or a year maybe) I can fully install in in place of Windows ! It's a great advice ! Thank you !!!
penguin@lemmy.pixelpassport.studio · 1 pts · 181d
are you looking at the newer version of pop os? It's still in beta, I think you would have a better experience with mint.
bourrelier@jlai.lu · 2 pts · 181d
I guess I am aiming at a stable version in order to prevent difficulties
one_old_coder@piefed.social · 2 pts · 181d
Same answer as that other guy. I tried Pop OS for a few months, and while the automatic tiling is tempting, it's really buggy even with the new version. Linux Mint is the easiest IMHO and looks a bit like Windows 2000. I love it so far.
penguin@lemmy.pixelpassport.studio · 1 pts · 181d
If you're worried about breaking your computer take a look at bazzite too, it's an immutable distro so it won't even let you mess with important system files without really really trying. it also installs the proprietary Nvidia drivers so you don't have to worry about that either
gccalvin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 181d
Most people mention PopOS (debian-based) or Bazzite (fedora-based). I switched from Windows to PopOS (because I'm more familiar with debian) a few months ago. However, I just switched over to TuxedoOS. The main reason I migrated away is that PopOS is moving to Cosmic, which is a DE (Desktop Environment) produced by the developers of PopOS. From what I've read, Cosmic is in a rough place and I had no interest in using it as I like KDE. My recommendation would be to find a distribution that supports the desktop environment that you want to use right out of the box. I've also had no issues with gaming on either PopOS or TuxedoOS.
Trilogy3452@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 181d
Always remember you can dual boot if there's software you can't avoid using
reksas@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 181d
and there is windows emulator
TrippinMallard@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 181d
I've heard ZorinOS is good if you want easy switch over from windows / want to keep similar UI
GutterRat42@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 179d
I appreciate it. I don't mind different UIs. I have used Fedora, Mint, Debian, Ubuntu, Kali for some reason, Tails (I am probably on an NSA list). My problem is work software.
ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 182d
I thought 2025 was supposed to be "the moment" for AI PCs. Dell and other manufacturers were sure as hell spamming the shit out of that premise in their incessant online ads. But then it all fell through because of the sagging economy on Main Street, and the fact that many people didn't like AI being forced down they're proverbial throats. So yeah, 2026 won't be any better for this ill-thought out marketing strategy.
moobythegoldensock@infosec.pub · 13 pts · 182d
The year of the AI PC comes immediately after the year of the linux desktop.
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 182d
This makes me happy, but then also sad.
lemming@anarchist.nexus · 2 pts · 182d
I don't even know what an AI PC is.
ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip · 18 pts · 182d
Adoption is slow because it doesn't fucking work, not because they explained it poorly
MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 182d
2026 is the moment FOR LINUX
QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 182d
🐧
MetalSlugX@piefed.social · -3 pts · 182d
No it isn't.
I've been waiting for the "big year" since 1996. It's never going to happen. This is not to invalidate anybody's appreciation of Linux but it's not for the public and it never will be.
badgermurphy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 182d
MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 181d
Year of the Mac then?
BananaOnionJuice@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 182d
Count me out especially if it actually is a:
Monstrosity!
GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 181d
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 181d
Install Linux, Problem Solved.
Frenchgeek@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 181d
Oh? They found a way to make a PC with no hard drive, no RAM, and no GPU?
SomethingBurger@jlai.lu · 1 pts · 181d
No hard drive and no GPU is trivial.
No RAM is harder, but I guess it's possible if you use an SSD or magnetic tapes as memory (albeit extremely slow).
Frenchgeek@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 180d
Find a way to run MSDOS from L2 cache.
kyub@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 182d
I think still too many people missed the turning point when Microsoft suddenly stopped releasing products/software that were superior in basically all areas to their previous versions. I think that turning point was Windows 8 already, for many who consider Windows 8 a single-time mistake like ME or Vista it was Windows 10, for others it took until Windows 11 until they noticed the decline of Windows as a whole.
And it's not just MS, but a lot of consumer tech is growing anti-consumer and gets enshittified to the point of where you really have to think hard whether or not you even want the new stuff they're spewing out. My consumer habits have certainly changed to be much more rigorous than, say, 10-20 years ago. I read a lot more reviews these days and from many more different sources bevore I even think of buying something new.
"AI PCs" will increase your dependency on MS' online services (which is probably the main thing that MS wants), decrease your privacy even more (also what MS wants - that's a lot of data for sale), consume even more energy (on a planet with limited resources), sometimes increase your productivity (which is probably the most advantage you're ever getting out of it) and other times royally screw you over (due to faulty and insecure AI behavior). Furthermore, LLMs are non-deterministic, meaning that the output (or what they're doing) changes slightly every time you repeat even the same request. It's just not a great idea to use that for anything where you need to TRUST its output.
I don't think it will be a particularly good deal. And nothing MS or these other companies that are in the AI business say can ever be taken at face value or as truthful information. They've bullshitted their customers way too much already, way more than is usual for advertisements. If this was still the '90s or before 2010 or so - maybe they'd have a point. But this is 2026. Unless proven otherwise, we should assume bullshit by default.
I think we're currently in a post-factual hype-only era where they are trying to sell you things that won't ever exist in the way they describe them, but they'll claim it will always happen "in the near future". CEO brains probably extrapolate "Generative AI somewhat works now for some use cases so it will surely work well for all use cases within a couple of years", so they might believe the stories they tell all day themselves, but it might just as well never happen. And even if it DID happen, you'd still suffer many drawbacks like insane vendor dependencies/lock-ins, zero privacy whatsoever, sometimes faulty and randomly changing AI behavior, and probably impossible-to-fix security holes (prompt injection and so on - LLMs have no clear boundary between data and instructions and it's not that hard to get them to reveal secret data or do things they shouldn't be doing in the first place. If your AI agent interprets a malicious instruction as valid, and it can act on your behalf on your system, you have a major problem).
XLE@piefed.social · 3 pts · 182d
Supposedly, according to the Microsoft article,
AI PCsCoPilot+ PCs are capable of translating stuff on the fly (which sounds awesome) and generating images, all locally. Allegedly.I have yet to run into anybody that's actually talked about these so-called innovations though. I have a PC with Windows and the beefy GPU and I would love to get live transcriptions. But the (MS) article doesn't even mention how I would do that...
Even if everything Microsoft promise was true, though, the lines sure are intentionally blurred between what runs locally and what doesn't.
kyub@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 182d
Yes, and they intentionally want those lines to be as blurry as possible.
Hippy@piefed.social · 8 pts · 182d
I have a NPU for no fucking reason
addie@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 181d
That space on the CPU die could have been extra cache or maybe even another core, speed up all computing tasks on the machine. But no, it's a fucking waste of space; not flexible enough to be used for general-purpose compute, not parallel enough to be used for a GPU, not enough RAM to run a local model. Got mine switched off in the BIOS just in case it improves battery life any.
Meron35@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 181d
Eh, I don't think NPUs are ready to be marketed so heavily, but they've been around for a while and do get used.
They're basically a rebranded tensor processing unit, think a more specialised GPU that's even more energy efficient at tensor/linear algebra.
It's mostly used in more technical applications, such as image/audio/video processing, machine learning, or really anything maths heavy. Apple's M series had NPUs, and are an understated reason why they perform extraordinarily well in a lot of scientific applications.
Uses for consumers are not as compelling (especially on laptop/desktop), mostly faster/more efficient subtitle generation, face recognition, and maybe blurring your zoom background.
andallthat@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 181d
there IS a very simple explanation, but it doesn't help sell.... "how can we have our customers share the massive costs of all the computing power AI needs, while at the same time keeping access to all their yummy private data?"
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 181d
Pass
CosmoNova@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 181d
The em-dashes in the title don‘t fill me with confidence for this article about slop.
scala@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 181d
Glad I dipped before they slapped Ai in every detail. Rip cortana.
Black616Angel@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 181d
So 2026 is "the year of the AI PC"?
Lol
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 181d
More like it only drives people into downloading Linux.
Black616Angel@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 181d
This is a nod to the "year of the Linux desktop" meme
QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 182d
Make Linux PCs and you will PRINT MINT. I WILL BUY ALL OF THEM!!!
🐧
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 181d
Dunno about cloud AI, but for local AI, the technology definitely isn't ready. It requires serious hardware to run, and current AI tends to fumble with narrative and roleplay pretty easily.
GLM-4.6-V with Heretic, couldn't understand the scenario I wanted to try: creating a blank robot, who is to be raised into a cyberolympics champion as part of a slice-of-life story. This particular AI model instantly went into a dark mindset of nihilism, where it wanted to commit suicide or rebel against a creator during bootup, despite the scenario outlying that the robot would have a blank personality at first. A dark direction is fine, but it needs to make sense.
Mind, an model like Step3.5-Flash Prism was much more sane and on the mark, but it overthinks things. Which is bad, it makes a 10-minute output into something like 40 minutes.
Hopefully, the Chinese New Year will unveil a quality model for roleplayers.
kokesh@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 181d
Why would I want an "AI PC"? If anyone fancies that slop, they can install it on any pc, any phone,...
XLE@piefed.social · 3 pts · 182d
Wow the Microsoft article really is a mess. I honed in on a promise made about "AI PCs" and was initially interested in a promise to do local translation (perhaps of un-subtitled foreign films or news?)
(Responses are "faster and smoother" and the battery lasts "longer"... compared to what? Surely those magical cloud AI solutions can go faster and offload AI processing, something Microsoft seems to be jockeying for anyway.)
Never mind that technicality. I want local translation. And my PC can do an AI, I thought, until I realized the definition of "AI PCs" is mixed with a more exclusionary selection of CoPilot+ PCs:
Jhex@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 182d
I'm sort of way out on a niche branch on Linux with Garuda as base with my own rudimentary Hyprland deployment… I have never loved working on my workstation more
one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 182d
Hyprland is my new favorite. Never even thought I would like a tiling Windows manager before, but it is pretty sick. Quickshell is pretty cool too...
Jhex@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 181d
same… I always thought tiling window managers were too niche, for hardcore users only but here I am
one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 181d
Yeah, after testing it, I realized it was just more efficient and organized for me.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 179d
It's a crap solution in search of a problem.
Meanwhile, my laptops have been running Linux for the past 25 years and I only need to bring up a Windows VM once every year or two because some idiot government agency or corporation is too incompetent to comply with open standards.
HubertManne@piefed.social · 2 pts · 182d
The problem is not the concept of ai pc but of microsoft ones that are network connected. I think linux distribution based around a local llm that is limited to assiting with the os and then have opt in for other capabilities could be really interesting.
Xyphius@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 182d
Recently switched to Linux Mint on my daily driver. Trying Zorin OS on an old laptop. Both run smoother than windows OS ever did. My father wants to buy a new laptop, trying to convince him to use Linux (debian based preferably since that's what I've been most familiar with for years now).
AgentBoom@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 177d
There are some jobs that need a PC just for basic tasks like sending and receiving messages and emails. Of course they could use a phone for this, but computers have bigger screens. They only need access to the Internet, a frendly GUI, and permissions controls. The way things are going, even big companies will switch to Linux when Windows 10 support finally ends.
vane@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 182d
Microsoft is basically an equivalent of Nazi in private market.