Especially since she solicited donations after losing SPECIFICALLY to "fight Trump" and then just fucked off the second she conceded, yeah, she needs to at least pretend to give a shit.
Pfft, we know the desires of the voters don’t matter to the DNC. They’ll put forward whatever milkwater, centre-right, AIPAC-suckling sycophant they like the most.
DNC seems to be incapable of learning. They will ignore their voters, gavage a candidate/platform that they want, act all surprised when they lose, then cover up their report that explains why they are losers.
They don't want to win, they can fundraise off of old idiots forever if they continually lose. They want the same shit as Trump, they just don't say it quite as loudly.
She hasn't won one on the federal level. 2020 she dropped out and was unpopular in California. She wasn't involved in 2024 and forced into the position. She isnt popular anywhere.
IMO she very likely did win the 2024 election given the real examples of election fraud by republics. As much as she choked in the final stretch I don't think she was the biggest factor in Trumps win.
But at best she'd be too little to late. Even Bernie, AOC... USA is too far gone for one leader/movement to fix things.
Nothing short of a generational shift-change in administration will move needle in the right direction.
We're doing a big lie 2.0 democrat edition now? The fact is she started from behind, was making serious ground, and completely fumbled by pivoting to moderate Republicans.
Changing voting laws is absolutely how the GOP is trying to rig elections. That's not a mystery or even in doubt. It's the people that are claiming voting machines were rigged that are preaching the big lie 2.0.
Being suspiciously cozy with the business owners of voting machine companies
Voter intimidation by posting ICE/CBP at polls
Voter intimidation by stochastic terrorism using their most rabid followers
Closing polling places in liberal areas to cause longer lines at the few remaining locations
New voter ID laws, including that one that could disenfranchise anyone who has ever changed their name (especially married women and trans people)
Trying to make voting by mail illegal
Trying to invalidate mail-in votes by any means possible
Calling election officials and asking them to """find""" just enough votes to change the outcome
Trying to cancel the election entirely due to some "emergency" bullshit (despite the US never having canceled a single election in its entire history, including during the Civil War)
Chanting to stop the count when they're ahead, and chanting to keep counting when they're behind
Filing dozens of (failed) court cases in attempts to overturn election results
...to name a few.
Maybe I was being hyperbolic with "30". Maybe. We're at 14 now. I bet if you dig deep enough, you can find at least 30 ways the GOP is trying to rig elections.
That's an overreaction. Not only did I read your comment, I also read through the Wikipedia entry you posted. Hence why I referenced the topic it covered. I don't know what your problem is, but it's not with me.
There were significant statistical aberrations and deviations in more than a few swing districts, in terms of the vote spread over time. And there were shockingly sweeping changes made to the configuration files of voting machines very shortly before the election. And the companies that make and deploy the electronic voting machines we use nationwide are largely controlled by a small handful of companies that have a… shall we say, deeply suspicious quantity and depth of personal ties to right-wing mega donors and politicians.
Nothing conclusive, unfortunately… but that’s also because they’ve destroyed most of the data in places where it’s not illegal to do so (which is most places).
So no, it’s not actually tin-foil-hatty to be skeptical of the veracity of the outcome of the 2024 election. Unfortunately, there’s essentially fuck-all anyone can do about it at this point.
Yep. As soon as she conceded, it legally doesn't matter if the Trump campaign cheated. When she conceded the election, that locked in the result, regardless of what might come to light later.
My pet theory is that Dems don't want election rigging to come to light ... because then people might start looking at the primaries as well.
Those are all example of promises that Harris could have promised that do not require congress approval to show she is better than trump in the issue of Gaza
Recognize Palestine in the UN unconditionally
Call for Independent Probe to investigate israel war crimes
Enforce the "Leahy Law" Against more IDF Units
Label Settlement Products
Sanctioning Netenyahu
Re-sign Rome Statute and recognize the ICC
Harris could have unilaterally sent a new letter to the UN "re-activating" the U.S. signature to the status of rome
41 Comments
themoken@startrek.website · 38 pts · 160d
There is no way Kamala Harris survives a primary.
aramis87@fedia.io · 37 pts · 160d
If she wants to win, she needs to be out there today pushing back against the regime. Instead, there's crickets. That's a "No" vote from me.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 17 pts · 160d
Especially since she solicited donations after losing SPECIFICALLY to "fight Trump" and then just fucked off the second she conceded, yeah, she needs to at least pretend to give a shit.
DScratch@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 160d
Pfft, we know the desires of the voters don’t matter to the DNC. They’ll put forward whatever milkwater, centre-right, AIPAC-suckling sycophant they like the most.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 8 pts · 160d
DNC seems to be incapable of learning. They will ignore their voters, gavage a candidate/platform that they want, act all surprised when they lose, then cover up their report that explains why they are losers.
possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 160d
They don't want to win, they can fundraise off of old idiots forever if they continually lose. They want the same shit as Trump, they just don't say it quite as loudly.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 160d
DNC is a fucking scam
Bakkoda@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 160d
Hear me out: What if we primary one candidate and then after the primaries swap the candidate? Fixing crazy right?
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 10 pts · 160d
You mean literally the exact thing we did in 2024 to lose?
Bakkoda@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 160d
Oh yeah that's why it seemed so familiar.
monkeyjoe@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 160d
She hasn't won one on the federal level. 2020 she dropped out and was unpopular in California. She wasn't involved in 2024 and forced into the position. She isnt popular anywhere.
zd9@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 160d
NO
GET. THE FUCK. AWAY.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 22 pts · 160d
For fuck’s sake, Harris, you were a bad candidate in 2016, 2020, and 2024, and you’re still a bad candidate.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 14 pts · 160d
Kamala "I'm speaking" Harris doesn't know how to read the room? Say it ain't so.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 160d
IMO she very likely did win the 2024 election given the real examples of election fraud by republics. As much as she choked in the final stretch I don't think she was the biggest factor in Trumps win.
But at best she'd be too little to late. Even Bernie, AOC... USA is too far gone for one leader/movement to fix things.
Nothing short of a generational shift-change in administration will move needle in the right direction.
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 160d
We're doing a big lie 2.0 democrat edition now? The fact is she started from behind, was making serious ground, and completely fumbled by pivoting to moderate Republicans.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 160d
Americans inability to hold 2 non mutually exclusive facts in their head at the same time is why a demented idiot like trump fooled you all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_efforts_to_disrupt_the_2024_United_States_presidential_election
Harris' pivot to the right absolutely killed her momentum... but ALSO the GOP cheated.
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 160d
Changing voting laws is absolutely how the GOP is trying to rig elections. That's not a mystery or even in doubt. It's the people that are claiming voting machines were rigged that are preaching the big lie 2.0.
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 3 pts · 160d
Changing laws is, like 1 of 30 different ways the GOP is trying to rig elections.
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 160d
Cool, what are the other 29?
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 4 pts · 160d
Gerrymandering
Fake electors
Being suspiciously cozy with the business owners of voting machine companies
Voter intimidation by posting ICE/CBP at polls
Voter intimidation by stochastic terrorism using their most rabid followers
Closing polling places in liberal areas to cause longer lines at the few remaining locations
New voter ID laws, including that one that could disenfranchise anyone who has ever changed their name (especially married women and trans people)
Trying to make voting by mail illegal
Trying to invalidate mail-in votes by any means possible
Calling election officials and asking them to """find""" just enough votes to change the outcome
Trying to cancel the election entirely due to some "emergency" bullshit (despite the US never having canceled a single election in its entire history, including during the Civil War)
Chanting to stop the count when they're ahead, and chanting to keep counting when they're behind
Filing dozens of (failed) court cases in attempts to overturn election results
...to name a few.
Maybe I was being hyperbolic with "30". Maybe. We're at 14 now. I bet if you dig deep enough, you can find at least 30 ways the GOP is trying to rig elections.
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 160d
Gerrymandering doesn't help with national elections like the presidential election
Fake electors is legit, but didn't get used
Suspicion isn't evidence
ICE wasn't at the polls for 2024 that I'm aware of
I don't feel the need to continue as your list seems mostly speculative of future elections and not relevant to the 2024 election.
Edit: I do want to be clear that most of these are very valid concerns for future elections. Just not when discussing Harris losing.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · -6 pts · 160d
Yea so go talk to those people instead of me. Like did you just not bother to read everything I wrote? All 3 sentences?? FFS.
People like you muddy the waters with your lazy engagement style.
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 160d
That's an overreaction. Not only did I read your comment, I also read through the Wikipedia entry you posted. Hence why I referenced the topic it covered. I don't know what your problem is, but it's not with me.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · -6 pts · 160d
You read it after you got called out, bullshitter
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 160d
Then why did my post address the topic you talked about? Again, you seem to have a problem, but it's not with me.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 160d
There were significant statistical aberrations and deviations in more than a few swing districts, in terms of the vote spread over time. And there were shockingly sweeping changes made to the configuration files of voting machines very shortly before the election. And the companies that make and deploy the electronic voting machines we use nationwide are largely controlled by a small handful of companies that have a… shall we say, deeply suspicious quantity and depth of personal ties to right-wing mega donors and politicians.
Nothing conclusive, unfortunately… but that’s also because they’ve destroyed most of the data in places where it’s not illegal to do so (which is most places).
So no, it’s not actually tin-foil-hatty to be skeptical of the veracity of the outcome of the 2024 election. Unfortunately, there’s essentially fuck-all anyone can do about it at this point.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 160d
Guarantee the person you're replying to didn't read that before downvoting.
edit: Musk sent prefilled absentee ballots... https://www.theverge.com/tech/882838/georgia-elon-musk-america-pac-voter-fraud
He also had a FUCKING LOTTERY.
More keeps coming out... which is the exact polar opposite of the dozens of court cases that disproved trumps big lie.
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 160d
I did read it. And this is the only part that matters
monkeyjoe@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 160d
If there's proof, maybe she should have done something about it instead of folding? Anything to keep the falsehood of our democracy alive?
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 4 pts · 160d
Yep. As soon as she conceded, it legally doesn't matter if the Trump campaign cheated. When she conceded the election, that locked in the result, regardless of what might come to light later.
My pet theory is that Dems don't want election rigging to come to light ... because then people might start looking at the primaries as well.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 160d
Take a look at this before dismissing these concerns out of hand.
monkeyjoe@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 160d
So Harris should have tried harder and chose not to. What a candidate.
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 160d
Their own post says
monkeyjoe@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 160d
Couldn't possibly be that the unpopular candidate lost an popularity contest...
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 160d
Exactly. A candidate that was behind in the polls and prediction markets lost. No conspiracy needed.
Numinous_Ylem@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 160d
Yeah nah gtfoh
MellowYellow13@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 160d
One of the most unpopular candidates in history and everything she says and does makes her even more unpopular. Yeah good luck with that!
mrdown@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 159d
Those are all example of promises that Harris could have promised that do not require congress approval to show she is better than trump in the issue of Gaza