Okay yeah that was the impression I had too. I was excited when I first heard about it but from what I read it didn't seem like you could do much with it. I'm still interested in playing around with it though if I find some free time. Ham didn't really interest me as it requires a license which kind of defeats the purpose of this imo.
The Internet is just a bunch of AS running open source protocols on commercially available infrastructure. It's doing fine. The hosted commercial services might be fucked, but you can run your own.
Algorithm-based, ad supported social media is a public health crisis and damages people of all ages. It should be destroyed. At that point we don't have to worry about it's effect on kids or them using VPNs to circumvent age restrictions.
You also can avoid all of these disruptions by camouflaging your packets as some generic protocol, which is already quite easy e.g. in Mullvad by using shadowsocks and ai disruption (randomising, among others, packet size and intervals). In fact, it will always be impossible to detect VPNs without deep packet inspection - and that would require banning ALL internet traffic encryption, which seems unrealistic because of the astronomical downsides, even in today's political situation.
Yeah, I didn't know about that, that sounds terrifying. At least I was still right in saying that they cannot block VPNs completely - you can still send traffic through HTTPS or DNS requests, but it is just too slow for most applications, however definitely enough to be able to communicate with other people in times of censorship. Based on my research Russia is also experimenting with CIDR whitelisting, which is even worse but does have the huge drawback of basically breaking the internet except for a few large sites.
The world is going to shit... also, I am asking out of pure curiosity - how does DPI interact with encryption where you live? Is encryption just plain illegal or what?
encryption is legal, DPI is used to block specific websites that are deemed illegal in this country like pornography, gambling, "national security" related (North Korean stuff mainly), piracy, etc. for context where I live is South Korea.
attached a machine translated screenshot of warning.or.kr (where blocked pages get redirected to)
42 Comments
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 90 pts · 166d
Yep, that's the plan.
It should be obvious by now that governments don't give one fuck about protecting kids. Not one single fuck.
derAbsender@piefed.social · 18 pts · 166d
Well... Fucking and children and people associated with power .... We have learned there is no real "not" in this Chain...
theneverfox@pawb.social · 61 pts · 166d
The Internet was cool while it lasted
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 33 pts · 166d
We'll just continue to make our own internet with blackjack and hookers. Too much knowledge is already out.
Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 166d
Isn't that just the "dark web"
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 166d
Yeah, it's also meshtastic, ham, p2p
We've got options and always will.
Emi@ani.social · 2 pts · 166d
I assume unless they just make whitelist of sites you can connect to you can find workarounds.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 165d
What're the data rates like on meshtastic and ham? Wasn't looking great when I briefly looked at it.
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 165d
I mean they're not crazy good by any means, but they could be improved upon. More so speaking of mesh, ham is its own mystery in my brain.
Just examples really of networking outside of the normal infrastructure.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 165d
Okay yeah that was the impression I had too. I was excited when I first heard about it but from what I read it didn't seem like you could do much with it. I'm still interested in playing around with it though if I find some free time. Ham didn't really interest me as it requires a license which kind of defeats the purpose of this imo.
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 165d
Agreed on that front as well.
There has been some progress with data on meshtastic as well as range. For what it is in its current state, it's still pretty awesome imo
theneverfox@pawb.social · 2 pts · 165d
It's called the deep web in this case. The dark web takes special tools to access, like Tor
eleitl@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 166d
The Internet is just a bunch of AS running open source protocols on commercially available infrastructure. It's doing fine. The hosted commercial services might be fucked, but you can run your own.
You're using such a service right now.
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 165d
no you can't "run your own" for very long if that means you are breaking the law and can be legally punished for not complying with laws like this :(
Governments of the world, get the fuck out of the Internet.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 165d
Until the government beats down the door of whoever's not following their BS laws and shuts them down.
Vieric@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 166d
It's a feature, not a bug. Not sure why so many headlines keep acting like it's some kind of accident.
myrmidex@belgae.social · 11 pts · 166d
To reinforce the plausible deniability of politicians of course. It's all about manufacturing consent.
mickus@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 166d
Considering the recent comments from Merz that is indeed the point
Kazel@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 166d
Du hast Fotzenfritz falsch geschrieben
eleitl@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 166d
These guys are actually begging for it.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 165d
To be fair this kind of thing certainly hasn't gone wrong with Germany before!
brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 21 pts · 165d
Age restrictions and id verification side step the real issue that they don't want to deal with.
Actually regulating the companies making these addictive, harmful sites.
lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 165d
The real problem is children on the Internet. The real solution is getting parents to use parental control software.
If you're a full grown adult using Facebook, much less addicted to it, ya get what ya deserve.
paraphrand@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 166d
It’s frustrating that they act like we have privacy right now. The whole situation is typical absurd human behavior.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 14 pts · 166d
For the folks not exposed to the plan.
BranBucket@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 166d
Algorithm-based, ad supported social media is a public health crisis and damages people of all ages. It should be destroyed. At that point we don't have to worry about it's effect on kids or them using VPNs to circumvent age restrictions.
Seems like a more effective solution to me.
Sunshine@piefed.ca · 10 pts · 166d
The only way to use VPN with how things are going at this rate is through mail in cash or Monero.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 166d
Yet another mullvad W
eleitl@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 166d
With a bit of infrastructure, today you can detect and disrupt any VPN session. This is coming soon to your country, too.
pankuleczkapl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 166d
You also can avoid all of these disruptions by camouflaging your packets as some generic protocol, which is already quite easy e.g. in Mullvad by using shadowsocks and ai disruption (randomising, among others, packet size and intervals). In fact, it will always be impossible to detect VPNs without deep packet inspection - and that would require banning ALL internet traffic encryption, which seems unrealistic because of the astronomical downsides, even in today's political situation.
eleitl@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 165d
Careful there: https://doberman.media/en/russia-has-begun-blocking-the-xray-vless-vpn-protocol-heres-why-thats-deeply-alarming/
pankuleczkapl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 165d
Yeah, I didn't know about that, that sounds terrifying. At least I was still right in saying that they cannot block VPNs completely - you can still send traffic through HTTPS or DNS requests, but it is just too slow for most applications, however definitely enough to be able to communicate with other people in times of censorship. Based on my research Russia is also experimenting with CIDR whitelisting, which is even worse but does have the huge drawback of basically breaking the internet except for a few large sites.
hexagonwin@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 165d
DPI is being used actively in a lot of countries including where I live, sadly
pankuleczkapl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 164d
The world is going to shit... also, I am asking out of pure curiosity - how does DPI interact with encryption where you live? Is encryption just plain illegal or what?
hexagonwin@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 164d
encryption is legal, DPI is used to block specific websites that are deemed illegal in this country like pornography, gambling, "national security" related (North Korean stuff mainly), piracy, etc. for context where I live is South Korea.
attached a machine translated screenshot of warning.or.kr (where blocked pages get redirected to)
Jaysyn@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 165d
Which is the entire point.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 165d
Corporate needs you to find the difference between [UK] and [China]
They are the same picture .jpg
MagnificentSteiner@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 165d
Yep, and "age verification" is just a euphemism for identity verification.
Greddan@feddit.org · 5 pts · 165d
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 165d
Yes, and it's also a bad idea that has no place in a free society for many other reasons.
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 165d
What if you buy your child a VPN that is outside of UK?
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 165d
And that's why the UK law is so stupid.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 165d
The global pedofile oligarch greater Israel project noose tightens