Vis a vis Zelenskyy and Ukraine’s stance here: do you seriously expect them to ignore the fact that Iran was a key enabler of the tens of thousands of Shahed terror drones, and the subsequent Russian clones? Do you genuinely think there’s even the faintest sliver of governmental or public sympathy in Ukraine for Iran - a country that has been providing significant material support for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine - from pretty much the outset of the active phase of the war started in 2022?
Be serious. This is far less “bending the knee” and far more “fuck those guys, because they were punching us in the dick”.
Ukraine desperately wants the United States to continue supporting them, and currently, the US is run by a group that has been mixed in their support. Trump in particular has been rather unsupportive of Ukraine. Trump is also a figure that is very easily swayed by flattery, so if Zelensky can show himself as among the few that is saying good things about the US's actions in Iran, that may help them secure more solid continuing support in their struggles against Russia.
So it's not just that they have little cause for sympathy with Iran, but also that they have good reason to speak out in favor of the US.
It is today expected of heads of state to have a public opinion on big international events. Not to mention that at least suggesting support for the US is advantageous to his cause. Which, again, is what he's allowed to prioritise.
So wait, do Iranians live under a repressive regime with no say in their country's actions, or are they actually responsible for their country's action to the extent that aggression against them can be justified?
Tell that to the Iranians being bombed. It's okay that we're supporting your country being bombed, it's politically inconvenient to care about your lives.
It doesnt give USA+Israel right to attack Iran . it is problem of Iranian. If you support action of USA+Israel, it means Russia has right to invade Ukraine and defend their people + pro-russian ukrainians
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Lumidaub@feddit.org · 18 pts · 182d
Well yah. If there's anything I'd avoid doing in Zelenskyy's place right now, it's openly antagonise the US.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 182d
Could have shut his mouth but he got on his knees.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 182d
Vis a vis Zelenskyy and Ukraine’s stance here: do you seriously expect them to ignore the fact that Iran was a key enabler of the tens of thousands of Shahed terror drones, and the subsequent Russian clones? Do you genuinely think there’s even the faintest sliver of governmental or public sympathy in Ukraine for Iran - a country that has been providing significant material support for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine - from pretty much the outset of the active phase of the war started in 2022?
Be serious. This is far less “bending the knee” and far more “fuck those guys, because they were punching us in the dick”.
orc_princess@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 182d
So they get to say screw the Iranian civilians, including elderly and children? Fuck that.
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 8 pts · 182d
They get to say "we have our own naked survival to care about".
Maeve@kbin.earth · 8 pts · 182d
Then they shouldn't have said anything and focused on that.
nelly_man@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 182d
Ukraine desperately wants the United States to continue supporting them, and currently, the US is run by a group that has been mixed in their support. Trump in particular has been rather unsupportive of Ukraine. Trump is also a figure that is very easily swayed by flattery, so if Zelensky can show himself as among the few that is saying good things about the US's actions in Iran, that may help them secure more solid continuing support in their struggles against Russia.
So it's not just that they have little cause for sympathy with Iran, but also that they have good reason to speak out in favor of the US.
Maeve@kbin.earth · 4 pts · 181d
Once you lick the boot, you have to keep licking.
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 0 pts · 182d
It is today expected of heads of state to have a public opinion on big international events. Not to mention that at least suggesting support for the US is advantageous to his cause. Which, again, is what he's allowed to prioritise.
Maeve@kbin.earth · 3 pts · 182d
He's between the devil and deep blue sea and showing his desperation. Extremely unwise.
Geobloke@aussie.zone · -3 pts · 181d
Did the Iranian civilians care about Ukrainian civilians?
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 181d
So wait, do Iranians live under a repressive regime with no say in their country's actions, or are they actually responsible for their country's action to the extent that aggression against them can be justified?
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 182d
It's crazy how Liberals scream the term Tankie all day but then support the exact hypocrisy they accuse Tankies of.
orc_princess@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 182d
It's always projection lol
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 3 pts · 182d
I can absolutely understand that he'd think about his own people first.
orc_princess@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 182d
Tell that to the Iranians being bombed. It's okay that we're supporting your country being bombed, it's politically inconvenient to care about your lives.
Lumidaub@feddit.org · -3 pts · 182d
Iranians are under no obligation to be sympathetic, sure. And he's under no obligation to put another country first.
ICastFist@programming.dev · 8 pts · 182d
Is it any surprise, tho? Russia and Iran are "allies"
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · -3 pts · 182d
Well that means hypocrisy is fine.
axh@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 182d
okrakai@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 182d
the russians are building those since like 3 years now, they are not really shahed drones anymore
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 182d
Using this logic anything can be justified because it's convenient for realpolitik.
lithiumground@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 182d
It doesnt give USA+Israel right to attack Iran . it is problem of Iranian. If you support action of USA+Israel, it means Russia has right to invade Ukraine and defend their people + pro-russian ukrainians
theacharnian@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 182d
Iran supported the illegal Russian invasion of Ukraine. So I guess this makes them even?