A willing creature you touch shape-shifts, along with everything it’s wearing and carrying, into a misty cloud for the duration.
While in this form, the target [...] can enter and occupy the space of another creature. [...] can pass through small holes, narrow openings, and even mere cracks, though it treats liquids as though they were solid surfaces.
This is one of the few transmutation and movement spells that don't require you to end your turn or movement on an unoccupied 5ft square.
Are there any rules about the mass of the Gaseous Form?
In the absence of a rule that specifies "reduced total mass" as part of the Magic effect, I would assume normal rules of reality apply.
As such, the same number of moles that previously comprised the Paladin and Dragon are now gaseous species at local temperature & pressure. That's the magic, yaay!
But it's the same number of protons, so it's gonna be just as heavy. Even if you can squeeze all those molecules into a small-ish container, it's gonna have the weight of the paladin, his armor, and his dragon.
If there are in a sealed container that wouldn't matter, unless it flies using a magical force without an equal and opposite force, at which point you might as well just throw out conservation of mass.
For it to be buoyant, density would have to be less than air. If we're holding to conservation of mass, then the bottle would have to be significantly larger than the paladin, which doesn't sound particularly stealthy.
I think the spell represents sublimation, which doesn't convert mass to energy (actually requiring energy, but I guess that's the "magic" part of the spell). So the paladin's mass (body, armor, weapons, etc.) would remain. I'm not sure how to decide how big the bottle needs to be (though, likely not very large), I just don't know how the party is reasonably throwing the bottle. It's similar to picking up the paladin (in their normal, physical form) and trying to throw them across the room.
If they are inside a bottle, inside the bag of a party member, they are not taking any action and have total cover and it wouldn't make sense to roll stealth.
I'm part of a Western Reaches campaign where I've got an entire party worth of characters to pick from. In here are two with the Fey Touched feat, giving them the spell Misty Step, this being a warlock and a paladin. While the former would use that to get out of hairy situations, the latter would use it to get into them.
So basically I also have an option for a sudden, in-your-face paladin.
17 Comments
Enkrod@feddit.org · 84 pts · 184d
This is one of the few transmutation and movement spells that don't require you to end your turn or movement on an unoccupied 5ft square.
This should work. Nice! 😆
nymnympseudonym@piefed.social · 8 pts · 183d
Hold on hold on...
Are there any rules about the mass of the Gaseous Form?
In the absence of a rule that specifies "reduced total mass" as part of the Magic effect, I would assume normal rules of reality apply.
As such, the same number of moles that previously comprised the Paladin and Dragon are now gaseous species at local temperature & pressure. That's the magic, yaay!
But it's the same number of protons, so it's gonna be just as heavy. Even if you can squeeze all those molecules into a small-ish container, it's gonna have the weight of the paladin, his armor, and his dragon.
bob_lemon@feddit.org · 16 pts · 183d
It might have the same mass, but considering they gain a fly speed, their (effective) weight is zero.
donnachaidh@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 183d
If there are in a sealed container that wouldn't matter, unless it flies using a magical force without an equal and opposite force, at which point you might as well just throw out conservation of mass.
GreenBeard@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 182d
Buoyancy. It has weight, but if it's lighter than air, it still floats.
donnachaidh@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 182d
For it to be buoyant, density would have to be less than air. If we're holding to conservation of mass, then the bottle would have to be significantly larger than the paladin, which doesn't sound particularly stealthy.
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 177d
Fun thing about gasses is that they are compressible.
BoosBeau@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 183d
I think the spell represents sublimation, which doesn't convert mass to energy (actually requiring energy, but I guess that's the "magic" part of the spell). So the paladin's mass (body, armor, weapons, etc.) would remain. I'm not sure how to decide how big the bottle needs to be (though, likely not very large), I just don't know how the party is reasonably throwing the bottle. It's similar to picking up the paladin (in their normal, physical form) and trying to throw them across the room.
rImITywR@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 184d
Doesn't say anything about not needing to roll stealth checks, or the transmuted armour not causing disadvantage on those checks.
Enkrod@feddit.org · 45 pts · 184d
That's a silly argument.
rImITywR@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 183d
What is DnD other than an engine to start silly arguments?
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 183d
If they are inside a bottle, inside the bag of a party member, they are not taking any action and have total cover and it wouldn't make sense to roll stealth.
IntrovertTurtle@lemmy.zip · 63 pts · 184d
I believe that's called a 'holy hand grenade' by the long-ago people.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today · 19 pts · 183d
Sir Molotov of Cocktail.
myrrh@ttrpg.network · 6 pts · 182d
otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 183d
No summoning sickness? LPT fr.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 4 pts · 183d
Mr. Martin Fart-in-a-Jar, the Paladin.
Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 182d
I'm part of a Western Reaches campaign where I've got an entire party worth of characters to pick from. In here are two with the Fey Touched feat, giving them the spell Misty Step, this being a warlock and a paladin. While the former would use that to get out of hairy situations, the latter would use it to get into them.
So basically I also have an option for a sudden, in-your-face paladin.