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c/nottheonion · by HailSeitan@lemmy.world · 178d

Trump Admin Drops the Olive Branch from U.S. Seal on New Dime Coins, Keeps the Arrows

https://people.com/new-dime-coin-design-missing-olive-branch-11925790

cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/35277816

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sundray@lemmus.org · 61 pts · 178d

God, they are so dumb.

Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de · 40 pts · 178d

I love it though how the Eagle is now looking at its empty claw like: "WTF?!?"

It's a nice symbol for the state the US and lots of its people are currently in.

daychilde@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 178d (14 replies)

Misinformation. Totally false. The barest possible technicality that this is happening and Trump is President, yes. But this is not his work.

  • The Circulating Collectible Coin Redesign Act of 2020 was primarily the work of Representative Barbara Lee (D-CA). But it was a bipartisan bill
  • The creator of the coin intended it to represent the colonies in the revolution, i.e. yes, a time of war.
  • The final design was approved in 2024 - so if anyone "did" it, it would be Biden
  • In place of the olive branch, the bald eagle is in flight clutching arrows in its talons, with one talon left empty. The empty talon is meant to signify that the colonists were waiting for a peace they had not yet reached.

I hope someone will verify what I've said is true and pass it back to the source to let more people know. There's plenty of things wrong - this is not one of them.

HasturInYellow@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 178d (1 reply)

If that is what the redesign is about, the meaning placed on it is so wildly contradictory to the imagery. They DID get peace. That's why we have a nation. The idea pushed with this, that the eagle shouldn't have an olive branch because we haven't achieved peace yet is just false. We did. Then we didn't like it, and threw it away.

If you want to make symbolic imagery describing our nation, just make the eagle eat the liver of a small child tied to a rock. Still referencing Greek/roman myths but is more accurate to our way of life.

daychilde@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 178d

Feel free to disagree with the imagery as you like. I'm not trying to dissuade you.

But the creator's point was to represent the time during the revolution when peace had not yet been achieved.

jballs@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 178d (2 replies)

Tried to verify what you said by looking up the Circulating Collectible Coin Redesign Act of 2020 (https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1923/text).

That actually does not authorize the issuance of new dimes. It is solely limited to new quarters and dollar coins.

I stopped verifying after that, so it's possible the rest of what you said is true? But the first bullet doesn't seem to be accurate.

daychilde@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 178d (1 reply)

Good eye! However:

"Notwithstanding the 4th, 5th, and 6th sentences of subsection (d)(1), the Secretary may change the design on any of the coins authorized under this section and minted for issuance during the one-year period beginning January 1, 2026..."

The "section" it refers to is 31 U.S.C. § 5112, which is the overarching law that defines all U.S. coinage. By saying "any of the coins," it grants the Treasury Secretary the discretionary power to redesign the penny, nickel, dime, quarter, and half dollar for the 2026 anniversary.

jballs@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 178d

Oh nice, missed that!

greybeard@feddit.online · 1 pts · 178d (7 replies)
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daychilde@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 178d (6 replies)

I'm not a bot and a very quick perusal of my posting history should show that immediately.

greybeard@feddit.online · 0 pts · 178d (5 replies)

I deleted my post because I did exactly that. Your text still reeks of ChatGPT, but it is pretty clear that you aren't a bot, even if you are using one to write your messages.

jj4211@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 178d (4 replies)

I don't see it, it doesn't seem tonally consistent with the LLMs. Is it just because he put bullet points or something? Because it's slightly longer than normal?

daychilde@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 178d

Bullet points are trivial in markdown - simply start a line with a dash and a space, although you can bugger up things by not leaving blank lines before and after.

I also do use em-dashes — because I can. I use wincompose to give me the linux compose key under windows. Although I will sometimes intentionally remove em-dashes from my writing precisely because of this assumption it causes.

I also have severe ADHD, and while sometimes I just write freeform and beware to the poor reader, sometimes I have an LLM tighten up the writing so the neurotypicals aren't scared or confused by my rambling.

But even in such cases, I write everything first.

I believe in that particular instance, I might have copy/pasted the last bullet point from somewhere, but I wrote everything else and that is not through an LLM.

Everyone has different skills, and writing is one I'm not totally afraid to say is a moderate talent of mine. Sometimes.

Replying to your comment because it felt more natural, but it's to the conversation in general. :)

greybeard@feddit.online · 2 pts · 178d (2 replies)

Rereading it, there is a good chance I'm the asshole here, but the basic reasons were a paragraph, followed by bullet points, followed by a paragraph. That's a very common format for ChatGTP. As well, the use of emdashes in general, specifically where most people would use a comma. What really leads me to think I might be the asshole here is his use of "But" to start a sentence. It's pretty common in informal writing, but really uncommon in the type of formal writing that ChatGPT loves to produce.

jj4211@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 178d

Looks like typed as hyphens, and LLMs tend to produce emdashes.

I think the intro/bullet point/conclusion format is pretty common among humans.

Drusas@fedia.io · 1 pts · 173d

I hate this push against using decent grammar and formatting. Knowing how to use emdash dash or a semicolon or bullet points doesn't make you a bot.

We might be the minority, but there are still tons of us out there who have always written this way. How do you think the LLMs got it to begin with? It's mirroring us, not the other way around.

Bloomcole@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 178d

So Blue MAGA.

ChicoSuave@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 178d (5 replies)
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BlueEther@no.lastname.nz · 14 pts · 178d (4 replies)

I think in [oldish] English that would be a removed, I dont know that we need to use that language (and all of it's modern history) to describe the current US leadership. There are better terms like 'fascist' and hatemonger.

m4xie@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 178d

The term fascist was invented in Italy as a reference to the fasces, an executioner's axe in a bundle of rods.

I find it very funny that both words come from the same root.

dharmacurious@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 178d (2 replies)

They were referencing fascist, not f@ggot. Both refer to a bundle of sticks.

But now that it's been brought up, and because I'm a little stoned and I'm looking for an excuse, I will share one of my favorite stories (that I sadly cannot remember the origin of, but possibly the Mahabharata)

A queen has 5 sons, and wants to teach them to rule together, to keep peace in the kingdom. She hands each son a stick, and tells them to break it. All the sticks break easily. Then she gathers 5 sticks and has each son attempt to break this bundle (f@ggot). Each son attempts and fails, before handing it to the next. When the last one fails, the queen tells her sons,

"Alone, each stick is weak and can be broken. But together, a f@ggot is unbreakable"

And all that is to explain why my next tattoo is just gonna be a tramp stamp of the words "unbreakable f@ggot" in fancy cursive on my lower back

BlueEther@no.lastname.nz · 4 pts · 178d (1 reply)

Thanks, TIL...

anyway I got a auto mod for mentioning that F word

dharmacurious@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 178d

I'll go fix mine too

joyjoy@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 178d

No peace, only war! 

HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org · 8 pts · 178d (2 replies)

What's sad is that the obverse of the 250th dime is probably the best of the redesigns. For the first time since 1946, we'd have a circulating coin with an idealized figure of Goddess Liberty instead of a dead politician.

The typography is atrocious though. And the lack of a cohesive design language sucks. The Charles III coinage from the UK are so much better as a thematic set.

Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 178d (1 reply)

Having the personification of manifest destiny (i.e. genocide) on a coin isn't great either.

HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 178d

Yeah, but it was the norm prior to 1909 and was a little more aspirational than "he just got perforated, let's slap his face on the half dollar."

Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 178d (2 replies)

A bit more like Franco's Falangist arrows symbol with some imagination.
Went to look at the previous design and then encountered this from 1936!
No mistaking what that is.


Unfortunately from what I've learned of the US relation to fascism before during and after WW2 I have to say I'm not shocked.

Chewbaccabra@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 178d (1 reply)

There are also fasces on the fronts of the armrests on the Lincoln memorial statue.

Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 178d

Didn't know that.
Used by Mussolini in 1919, just before completion of the statue.

treadful@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 178d

Had to check if it was April 1st already.