Quite franky I am tired of these fucking rounded corners everywhere. The current design is fine. Already a bit too rounded. Just make quality of life and web compatibility improvements rather than change the look of the GUI.
Bah just fix the browser first. Give a way to disable audio for given sites. Fix the regression that made it impossible to turn off JavaScript on a page that was already loaded. Give a way to edit bookmark URLs from the toolbar bookmark widget. Make about:processes show why "Firefox" (rather than a specific tab) sometimes gobbled the whole CPU. Etc etc.
A full redesign every 4 years really is insane. And for what? Is the usability really better? I just hope this also improves customization, because they keep breaking the ability to change browser colors.
Their biggest challenge is getting attention, because most users just use the default browser. A redesign brings them into the news, as can be seen above.
Too many UX designers needing to justify their jobs leads to this. It also leads to less customisation options, since they also seem to take it as an insult when someone doesn't like their "masterpiece" as is.
You need way more than designers to do a full UI redesign. And less customization is really just a product of engineering. It takes way longer to make something fast and customizable. So they choose fast.
It's wild to me how UI developers just can't let things be. Certain elements are timeless and just work. Why do you feel you have to reinvent the wheel every few years?
UI redesigns are a marketing feature for paid products because you need to give people a reason to update. (See Microsoft Windows looking different with every new major version).
Mozilla sees Firefox as a paid product (even if it isn’t) and their marketing team decides for a redesign every few actual major releases (not the bogus major releases to get the release number higher fast).
To casual users, the sort likely to lap up Apple’s colourful new MacBook Neo or find Google’s Material You colour flourishes appealing, it’s the kind of change that could win over hearts and minds; a way to signal “I am like the others, don’t think me strange”.
I absolutely hate this stupid floating rounded corners trend.
The whole point of corner/edge buttons is so that you can just jam your cursor in that direction and click without the need to carefully aim. KDE's choice to ship this as default for their taskbar was dumb af.
It gives the same vibe as the stupid freestanding baths trend in interior design, where the bathtub is disconnected from the wall, but also not far away enough for you to easily mop the gap properly.
I'm not sure whether i like the rounded corners on everything, but KDE implemented it properly. Clicking/scrolling while hovering the cursor over the panel gap will interact with the closest thing on the panel.
Ah it looks so clean and dense, love it. So much better than what is proposed to be changed into. At least we can make adjustments with custom CSS. Mine matches the system theme (from the operating system) BTW. :-)
Heavy tweaking of Firefox UI (fortunately userChrome.css and user.js are still available, even if hidden in undocumented about:config options), heavy tweaking of labwc, using a custom labwc theme, tweaked GTK theme.
Window resized to get it all in one readable screenshot.
Ah that's a good one too. I like the tabs. After my postings, I did some changes since then. Will do some further adjustments to the tabs. Iike its taking the full height of the tab row. The main thing I changed is having only one Bookmark folder in Bookmarks Toolbar, and put it in the same line as the tabs as a menu.
The color scheme, more dense and compact styles, non floating tabs, less rounded, and here and there stuff. I even changed something after posting. Being able to make changes to the UI with custom CSS is amazing on Firefox.
Damn, that looks absurdly ugly and even more like a foreign object on the desktop.
I hope this usability nightmare can be completely disabled or toned down so the browser looks like a native program compared to the rest of my programs.
Zen browser with its constant animations and UI elements shifting around and fading in and out, and all the blurry surfaces is everything, but not Zen.
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Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 45 pts · 181d
Quite franky I am tired of these fucking rounded corners everywhere. The current design is fine. Already a bit too rounded. Just make quality of life and web compatibility improvements rather than change the look of the GUI.
warm@kbin.earth · 19 pts · 181d
Its just wasted space. Horrible design.
PrinzKasper@feddit.org · 30 pts · 181d
I kinda like it. But yeah, I'd prefer them to focus more on catching up on features like HDR support, or newer CSS features like anchor positioning...
Ephera@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 181d
Very different personnel involved in those tasks...
marius@feddit.org · 8 pts · 181d
But the same money
unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 180d
If you want specific tasks for designers, here are some:
All of these require intensive input from designers and are a net-positive improvement, as opposed to the 4th redesign of the exact same scope.
solrize@lemmy.ml · 27 pts · 181d
Bah just fix the browser first. Give a way to disable audio for given sites. Fix the regression that made it impossible to turn off JavaScript on a page that was already loaded. Give a way to edit bookmark URLs from the toolbar bookmark widget. Make about:processes show why "Firefox" (rather than a specific tab) sometimes gobbled the whole CPU. Etc etc.
jol@discuss.tchncs.de · 20 pts · 181d
A full redesign every 4 years really is insane. And for what? Is the usability really better? I just hope this also improves customization, because they keep breaking the ability to change browser colors.
Ephera@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 181d
Their biggest challenge is getting attention, because most users just use the default browser. A redesign brings them into the news, as can be seen above.
solrize@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 181d
They've also broken the plugin API more times than I can remember. Wonder if they'll do it again with this redesign.
ViatorOmnium@piefed.social · -1 pts · 181d
Too many UX designers needing to justify their jobs leads to this. It also leads to less customisation options, since they also seem to take it as an insult when someone doesn't like their "masterpiece" as is.
jol@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 181d
You need way more than designers to do a full UI redesign. And less customization is really just a product of engineering. It takes way longer to make something fast and customizable. So they choose fast.
Tim_Bisley@piefed.social · 22 pts · 181d
It's wild to me how UI developers just can't let things be. Certain elements are timeless and just work. Why do you feel you have to reinvent the wheel every few years?
Squizzy@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 181d
Microsoft had an undo/redo buttom. It became the undo/dropdown, whatnisnin the dropdown? Redo.
It just added an extra click. That is all
Dirk@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 166d
UI redesigns are a marketing feature for paid products because you need to give people a reason to update. (See Microsoft Windows looking different with every new major version).
Mozilla sees Firefox as a paid product (even if it isn’t) and their marketing team decides for a redesign every few actual major releases (not the bogus major releases to get the release number higher fast).
some_designer_dude@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 181d
Because many are ego-driven tools that aspire to be the founder of the Next Big Aesthetic™️
Tywele@piefed.social · 17 pts · 181d
This sounds pretentious as fuck.
cheat700000007@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 181d
Because it is
Also material you is absolute dogshit
Meron35@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 180d
I absolutely hate this stupid floating rounded corners trend.
The whole point of corner/edge buttons is so that you can just jam your cursor in that direction and click without the need to carefully aim. KDE's choice to ship this as default for their taskbar was dumb af.
It gives the same vibe as the stupid freestanding baths trend in interior design, where the bathtub is disconnected from the wall, but also not far away enough for you to easily mop the gap properly.
Ilumar@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 180d
I'm not sure whether i like the rounded corners on everything, but KDE implemented it properly. Clicking/scrolling while hovering the cursor over the panel gap will interact with the closest thing on the panel.
thingsiplay@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 181d
I don't like this style, floating and rounded corners. This is (customized) how my Firefox looks and I like it and I don't want to change it:
Click for bigger image: https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/421786ef-64c5-4d21-8124-3968911fb041.png
hexagonwin@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 181d
nice theme! gotta share mine as well..
thingsiplay@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 180d
Ah it looks so clean and dense, love it. So much better than what is proposed to be changed into. At least we can make adjustments with custom CSS. Mine matches the system theme (from the operating system) BTW. :-)
ripcord@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 180d
It looks like something from 1992.
Dirk@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 166d
Heavy tweaking of Firefox UI (fortunately
userChrome.cssanduser.jsare still available, even if hidden in undocumentedabout:configoptions), heavy tweaking of labwc, using a custom labwc theme, tweaked GTK theme.Window resized to get it all in one readable screenshot.
thingsiplay@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 166d
Ah that's a good one too. I like the tabs. After my postings, I did some changes since then. Will do some further adjustments to the tabs. Iike its taking the full height of the tab row. The main thing I changed is having only one Bookmark folder in Bookmarks Toolbar, and put it in the same line as the tabs as a menu.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 180d
What'd you customize here?
thingsiplay@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 180d
The color scheme, more dense and compact styles, non floating tabs, less rounded, and here and there stuff. I even changed something after posting. Being able to make changes to the UI with custom CSS is amazing on Firefox.
ColdWater@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 180d
Mozilla can do whatever the fuck they want as long as it don't break my CSS, also FUCK ROUND CORNER
hexagonwin@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 181d
looks like shit. can't wait to have them fuck over my highly customized userchrome and having to make it again from scratch...
Dirk@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 166d
Damn, that looks absurdly ugly and even more like a foreign object on the desktop.
I hope this usability nightmare can be completely disabled or toned down so the browser looks like a native program compared to the rest of my programs.
LiveLM@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 181d
Atrocious.
If you want to try Firefox with a UI Redesign that doesn't suck, try Zen Browser
jjnjjlr@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 180d
I don't personally understand the side panel thing. Not for me.
Dirk@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 166d
Zen browser with its constant animations and UI elements shifting around and fading in and out, and all the blurry surfaces is everything, but not Zen.
Interstellar_1@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 160d
I think it looks really good. The combination of the tab bar and the url bar is a nice touch.