It was always such a confusing disappointment that vibrant colours inevitably devolved into turd brown. Entropy apparently does not spare our feelings.
There are places in the UK that hold competitions organised by the local community/pubs, and this is the forfeit. One got banned. Dont think that the Haxey Hood do it, but its an example of what im on about.
Yesterday my son asked me what AI means, and if it meant something is fake. He's young so I didn't go into the LLM distinction, just defined how "artificial" means yes it's fake, and "AI generated" just means they asked a computer to make it.
It reminds me of when everything was "cloud cloud cloud!!!" It's just other people's computers!
It actually just means you aren't allowed to know about the servers, so when it turns out your application is running too slowly they can claim your application is poorly optimized and/or you're simply not paying them enough instead of the reality that they have you and 7,000 other people sharing the same kind of chip that controls a toaster.
I can't imagine dying on this hill. People have been using the word AI to refer to things that aren't real artificial intelligence for literally decades. It's the phrase people use for when a computer does something that mimics intelligence. How come I never hear you people talk about how video game NPCs don't have AI?
"Actually, that character's programming is a form of virtual intelligence, not artificial intelligence."
Is machine learning the problem, though? Like, if someone wrote a program for automating subtitle creation, or at least helping with the tedious aspects of it, and it improved the more you used it, would that be an issue on it's own? I think that's why people differentiate between AI, LLM, and ML, because we need ways to distinguish tech that's being misused/is harmful in it's current forms vs. tech that is inherently evil in concept alone.
It's confusing bc nobody fully understands which terms refers to what, myself included, so everyone uses each term for the wrong thing.
If you love AI you probably hate art and expression...
If OOP actually loved art and expression, they'd be supporting actual artists making actual art, rather than putting their weight behind the no-effort jungle juice of art AI produces.
as a fan of mashup culture the first argument is so weird. what makes mashup art interesting is the ability to recognise similarities the constituent parts and the artistry of merging them. ai art is more like a blender. you can make interesting things with the tech but it requires an actual artistic talent as well as careful planning both before and after. pouring in whatever will just net you beige goo.
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unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de · 126 pts · 184d
Thats actually a great analogy. Its exactly like mixing up all the colors and expecting a rainbow instead of brown goo.
BilboBargains@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 184d
It was always such a confusing disappointment that vibrant colours inevitably devolved into turd brown. Entropy apparently does not spare our feelings.
mech@feddit.org · 13 pts · 184d
There's another way of looking at it.
The dirt all around you contains all the colors of the rainbow!
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 183d
It's because the lack of expensive blues to make it neutral. Kids can only have shit colors.
Pro tip: also never use black.
JamieDub86@piefed.social · 82 pts · 184d
If you wont drink the contents of the tray under the beer taps, you just hate beer. Its an infinite mashup of all the best beer ever made.
Slab_Bulkhead@lemmy.world · 66 pts · 184d
JetpackJackson@feddit.org · 18 pts · 184d
I'm stealing this image
SalamenceFury@piefed.social · 4 pts · 184d
The original is a gif lol, just search for gagging white cat
JetpackJackson@feddit.org · 2 pts · 184d
Thanks lol
JamieDub86@piefed.social · 15 pts · 184d
There are places in the UK that hold competitions organised by the local community/pubs, and this is the forfeit. One got banned. Dont think that the Haxey Hood do it, but its an example of what im on about.
jaybone@lemmy.zip · -5 pts · 184d
What an odd little game. Very British I suppose.
How is this related to what we’re talking about?
JamieDub86@piefed.social · 9 pts · 184d
I felt it was tangentially related and therefore interesting. Is that ok or am i breaking a rule?
jaybone@lemmy.zip · -7 pts · 184d
No rules. I’m legit curious. Maybe I missed it in the article.
NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social · 6 pts · 183d
If you just started reading at the third comment in this particular thread then this makes perfect sense.
vaionko@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 184d
I dunno, the bars I can afford to go to it's an infinite mashup of all the worst beer ever made
somethingsnappy@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 184d
LLM, not AI.
Slab_Bulkhead@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 184d
wastebin, not dumpster.
davidgro@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 183d
Fortunately the trademark expired, so we can in fact call them dumpsters.
Opisek@piefed.blahaj.zone · 16 pts · 184d
Thank you. I make it a very annoying habit to never call these things "AI" and correct others if they do.
Zink@programming.dev · 17 pts · 184d
Timely anecdote!
Yesterday my son asked me what AI means, and if it meant something is fake. He's young so I didn't go into the LLM distinction, just defined how "artificial" means yes it's fake, and "AI generated" just means they asked a computer to make it.
It reminds me of when everything was "cloud cloud cloud!!!" It's just other people's computers!
Opisek@piefed.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 183d
Serverless means there are no servers
cecilkorik@piefed.ca · 6 pts · 183d
It actually just means you aren't allowed to know about the servers, so when it turns out your application is running too slowly they can claim your application is poorly optimized and/or you're simply not paying them enough instead of the reality that they have you and 7,000 other people sharing the same kind of chip that controls a toaster.
Mothra@mander.xyz · 11 pts · 184d
Are image generators like midjourney also LLMs?
OrganicMustard@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 184d
They are diffusion models with a language model to understand prompts. What all of the have in common is that they are generative AI.
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 184d
they are not Generative AI they are Slop Generators
4am@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 184d
Again, they are not AI. We have not come up with an “AI” yet. What they are, are Machine-Learning, or “ML” models. They are not intelligent.
starman2112@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 183d
I can't imagine dying on this hill. People have been using the word AI to refer to things that aren't real artificial intelligence for literally decades. It's the phrase people use for when a computer does something that mimics intelligence. How come I never hear you people talk about how video game NPCs don't have AI?
"Actually, that character's programming is a form of virtual intelligence, not artificial intelligence."
~literally nobody in history
MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 183d
"virtual intelligence" just reminds me of Mass Effect
Also, a lot of the time NPC behavior isn't even virtual intelligence.
Stupid Goombas walking off a cliff lmao
(He says, while continuing to scroll when he should be going to sleep)
atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 184d
why should we stop using a term that has been used for at least a decade to refer to things much "dumber" than something like gpt 3.5
x00z@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 184d
"It was wrong before so now it's not wrong anymore"
atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 184d
if people use a word to refer to something for a long time, it means that that something is included in the words definition
queermunist@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 183d
If everyone uses a word "wrong" then it's not wrong, that's just what the word means now.
athatet@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 184d
Because the name is corpo pr speak to make it sound better than it is. We should not be repeating their lies.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 183d
Guess language evolves, because a simple A* or Dijkstra pathfinder was AI just ten years ago. Machine learning too.
Also, ask people what "intelligent" / intelligence is and you get one definition per person.
Artificial intelligence doesn't need to be good, just artificial, IMO.
cloudskater@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 184d
Is machine learning the problem, though? Like, if someone wrote a program for automating subtitle creation, or at least helping with the tedious aspects of it, and it improved the more you used it, would that be an issue on it's own? I think that's why people differentiate between AI, LLM, and ML, because we need ways to distinguish tech that's being misused/is harmful in it's current forms vs. tech that is inherently evil in concept alone.
It's confusing bc nobody fully understands which terms refers to what, myself included, so everyone uses each term for the wrong thing.
Hobthrob@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 184d
Yes
atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone · -1 pts · 184d
?
ramble81@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 184d
YES
atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 184d
No
LLMs stand for Large Language Models
They both are generative AI, but that term also includes, as far as i know, vocaloid software too
Th4tGuyII@fedia.io · 25 pts · 184d
If you love AI you probably hate art and expression...
If OOP actually loved art and expression, they'd be supporting actual artists making actual art, rather than putting their weight behind the no-effort jungle juice of art AI produces.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 183d
AI cannot create art, so the whole discussion is kind of moot IMO.
Slab_Bulkhead@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 184d
really tho, chefs kiss. 🤌👨🍳💋👌
lime@feddit.nu · 14 pts · 184d
as a fan of mashup culture the first argument is so weird. what makes mashup art interesting is the ability to recognise similarities the constituent parts and the artistry of merging them. ai art is more like a blender. you can make interesting things with the tech but it requires an actual artistic talent as well as careful planning both before and after. pouring in whatever will just net you beige goo.
Mothra@mander.xyz · 11 pts · 184d
This. I do appreciate a good collage or remix/electronic music with lots of samples. And they're nothing like AI slop
mech@feddit.org · 12 pts · 184d
If you don't like robots crushing people into paste, you just hate humans.
The paste is a mashup of all the best humans.
cecilkorik@piefed.ca · 6 pts · 183d
I love billionaire paste. It's the richest form of human paste.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 183d
that reply is art
BilboBargains@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 184d
If you eat my refuse it will make you strong, don't listen to the haters.
KneeTitts@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 184d
Everything the tech bros are touching, dies
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 184d
There is no "AI". Generated art is generated by computers created and programmed by humans.
Also art is subjective. Both these views are absurdly absolutist. Reality is gray.
PlaidBaron@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 183d
I dont think a computer can create art.
zbyte64@awful.systems · 2 pts · 183d
True but a person calling it art says more about them then the non-existent artist.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 183d
Mmm, dumpster juice.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 183d
So The Fly was visionary
mrmanager@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 183d
You handsome son of a bitch. :)
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 183d
I do moisturize
m3t00@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 182d
as a child with watercolors I'd mix them all together and paint. mom always loved my pictures
jdr@lemmy.ml · -5 pts · 184d
I do hate art though
SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world · -12 pts · 184d
O'Malley makes a convincing argument for it.