Some people don't realize they actually need those, as in some countries the concept of privacy is seen as a suggestion by even millions of people, and those people literally from which techbros like Zuck -- whose insistence people stop being anonymous -- farm their millions.
It's also what Linux should be doing in general,. It's not even the US. It's a fucking state in the US that is doing something stupid on behalf of Meta.
Any Linux distro should just put the onus on the CA legislature. Have a TOS that specifies that it does not comply with CA law, and as such isn't legal there. No need for any implementation change. Businesses in CA can take it upon themselves to comply by maintaining a fork that adds any sort of BS. But, more than likely, the dimwits who didn't know better and listened to Meta, might be surprised to find jusy how much everything runs on Linux (except a tiny number of user facing devices).
I had the same thought. I could imagine a situation where Motorola is afraid about bad PR and them quitting their deal over it. Depending how far this goes.
I think it would behoove Motorola to make their bootloader unlockable (sorry, is that a hardware thing?), and let the consumer have the option to put whatever OS on it they wish.
Motorola will probably want to ship a compliant* device in those regions.
"So be it" may mean you'll just buy the device with stock AOSP, and a warranty condition that allows flashing GrapheneOS. Hell, you'd slip a piece of paper in the box with flashing instructions.
But anyway, they're still only gonna run on Pixel phones (and Motorola soon, apparently).
It's one thing to say "my custom firmware does X, Y, Z," but if you can't install it on any Android phone... I think it's time we stop treating Android like some kind of bastion of freedom or privacy. Android maintainers and custom firmware developers have talked about a unified base for over a decade and it still hasn't happened yet. If you buy a phone in certain regions (like the US, China, and other limited countries) you can't just install whatever you want. The goal has always been to make phones more like computers, where you can "just install Linux" if you don't like Windows. (Well, not the iPhone, that's always been locked down.) But it's never been true of Android.
The goal is open hardware you can install anything on. Even a modified version of iOS, if someone's got the balls to host it. Kind of like a hackintosh, but a phone version. Like if you had a PC that had similar specs to an Intel Mac, you could run Mac OS on it (as long as that version of Mac OS supported the Mac you were similar to) fairly easily. We need that for phones. Maybe someday.
I hope it gets popular enough that the devs being squeezed by the latest Android stupidity will just move to a different install model tailored to GrapheneOS.
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originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com · 56 pts · 135d
I agree, we font
cenariodantesco@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 135d
hey font off, font you ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 135d
lol i corrected it
Mynameisallen@lemmy.zip · 55 pts · 135d
I would argue that everyone deserves privacy and freedom
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 135d
Some people don't realize they actually need those, as in some countries the concept of privacy is seen as a suggestion by even millions of people, and those people literally from which techbros like Zuck -- whose insistence people stop being anonymous -- farm their millions.
okamiueru@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 135d
It's also what Linux should be doing in general,. It's not even the US. It's a fucking state in the US that is doing something stupid on behalf of Meta.
Any Linux distro should just put the onus on the CA legislature. Have a TOS that specifies that it does not comply with CA law, and as such isn't legal there. No need for any implementation change. Businesses in CA can take it upon themselves to comply by maintaining a fork that adds any sort of BS. But, more than likely, the dimwits who didn't know better and listened to Meta, might be surprised to find jusy how much everything runs on Linux (except a tiny number of user facing devices).
Ulrich@feddit.org · 4 pts · 135d
Many distros are run by large companies that don't care. RedHat, Canonical, etc.
qaeta@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 134d
Run by, or are downstream of ones run by.
bonenode@piefed.social · 47 pts · 135d
Mnmalst@piefed.social · 27 pts · 135d
I had the same thought. I could imagine a situation where Motorola is afraid about bad PR and them quitting their deal over it. Depending how far this goes.
TheLastOfHisName@piefed.social · 7 pts · 135d
I think it would behoove Motorola to make their bootloader unlockable (sorry, is that a hardware thing?), and let the consumer have the option to put whatever OS on it they wish.
frongt@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 135d
Firmware. It's up to the OEM to enable it.
TheLastOfHisName@piefed.social · 2 pts · 135d
Thank you!
bold_omi@lemmy.today · 43 pts · 135d
No, we absolutely deserve it because privacy is a fundamental right.
pHr34kY@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 135d
Motorola will probably want to ship a compliant* device in those regions.
"So be it" may mean you'll just buy the device with stock AOSP, and a warranty condition that allows flashing GrapheneOS. Hell, you'd slip a piece of paper in the box with flashing instructions.
CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 135d
That's likely exactly what it means.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 129d
i feel like there has to be a way to have a system option that automatically installs graphene
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 135d
Looks like the normal font to me. ;)
But anyway, they're still only gonna run on Pixel phones (and Motorola soon, apparently).
It's one thing to say "my custom firmware does X, Y, Z," but if you can't install it on any Android phone... I think it's time we stop treating Android like some kind of bastion of freedom or privacy. Android maintainers and custom firmware developers have talked about a unified base for over a decade and it still hasn't happened yet. If you buy a phone in certain regions (like the US, China, and other limited countries) you can't just install whatever you want. The goal has always been to make phones more like computers, where you can "just install Linux" if you don't like Windows. (Well, not the iPhone, that's always been locked down.) But it's never been true of Android.
The goal is open hardware you can install anything on. Even a modified version of iOS, if someone's got the balls to host it. Kind of like a hackintosh, but a phone version. Like if you had a PC that had similar specs to an Intel Mac, you could run Mac OS on it (as long as that version of Mac OS supported the Mac you were similar to) fairly easily. We need that for phones. Maybe someday.
Mynameisallen@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 135d
I mean this is a beautiful dream but currently just a dream
daychilde@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 135d
That's just typecasting.
Arghblarg@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 135d
I hope it gets popular enough that the devs being squeezed by the latest Android stupidity will just move to a different install model tailored to GrapheneOS.
Electricd@lemmybefree.net · 4 pts · 135d
Eh, we got Daniel Mickay and we deserve better than his shitty personality, but I’m glad he’s working on this, he’s good from a technical POV
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 134d
Just like every other FOSS ROM.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 134d
Asbestos free!
Willoughby@piefed.world · 2 pts · 135d
Google: that,... isn't up to you
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 135d
I totally deserve it.
13igTyme@piefed.social · 1 pts · 135d
That just means no or a very big pain in the ass yes, depending on what country you're in.
anticurrent@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 135d
It wont last long unless they move to somewhere like the south pole, surveillance and authoritarianism is becoming normalized everywhere in the world
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 134d
That's not how Foss works