I know some people say they don't read speculative fiction because it's "not realistic" well guess what 😜😂
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lemonhead2@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 146d
in dune all space travel relies on spice which is only found on a desert planet inhabited by fremen who start a holy war.
how far away from that are we?
raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie · 18 pts · 146d
@lemonhead2 @NickEast_IndieWriter
That was deliberately based on Arabs and oil.
hayvan@piefed.world · 7 pts · 146d
And the underdog gains the upper hand by threatening to cut off the space oil supply.
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 2 pts · 146d
I can see they are in desperate need of freedom.
StarkRG@myside-yourside.net · 1 pts · 69d
@lemonhead2 @NickEast_IndieWriter And then we find out that "spice" is actually worm poop. (or maybe worm dandruff, I forget, it's been a couple of decades since I read it)
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 146d
Frank Herbert totally invented all of this stuff out of thin air and didn't have any historical precedent to work with at all.
BremboTheFourth@piefed.ca · 6 pts · 146d
I mean, obviously the holy war and spice was based on the Middle East and oil, but getting "fat orange pedophile god-king" right is a pretty incredible coincidence. And would be Lynch's prediction, not Herbert's (at least the orange part).
NickEast_IndieWriter@mastodon.art · 0 pts · 146d
cranachan@universeodon.com · -2 pts · 146d
@Diplomjodler3 @NickEast_IndieWriter not true, the inspiration was clearly rooted in Middle Eastern culture, Islam and for “spice” read oil.
Viceversa@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 146d
Whooosh
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 146d
The story is more critical than just that. Paul, the hero figure of Dune, is treated as the Messiah, and the people put total faith in him. This leads to a holy war across the universe, because people trust charismatic leaders too much. It's a lesson that, no matter how much you like a leader, they always need to be questioned.
Luckily, for the Dune universe, this all happens because Paul actually is good (maybe, if what we hear about it is true, though I believe we're supposed to question this too). He sees that the people are too trusting of charismatic leaders, so he must use this and cause massive damage, in order to teach humans to question their leaders and to think for themselves. Paul actually can't give up his last bit of humanity to do this though, as he actually is too good of a person, and his son has to do it instead.
Cellari@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 146d
Wait I just found out that guy is called Baron V. Harkonnen, where the V stands for Vladimir. Borderline prophecy the Dune books if you ask me, and it's frightening. :D
Grabthar@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 146d
Ah, so the sleeper has awakened!
NickEast_IndieWriter@mastodon.art · 2 pts · 146d
khleedril@cyberplace.social · 2 pts · 146d
@NickEast_IndieWriter @bookstodon @books @worldbuilding @humor@fedigroups.social @humor@lemmy.world @aiop At least he's not trying to fool anybody with his hair.
woe2you@beige.party · 1 pts · 146d
@NickEast_IndieWriter @bookstodon @books @worldbuilding @humor@fedigroups.social @humor@lemmy.world @aiop You forgot to tag #horseriding #bitcoin and #golf there.
raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie · -1 pts · 146d
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Actually most popular fiction isn't very realistic:
Romance
Detective / Mystery
Spy
Thrillers / Adventure
Westerns (not popular now).
Non SF & F horror.
Robinsonades
A novel need not be one genre, that's a publisher/marketing thing.
There is a spectrum between SF - fantasy - paranormal etc.
Dune and especially the early Pern novels are far more Fantasy than SF.
Even a lot of autobiographies are fiction or fantasy!