Looks like a piece of art to me. I'd make your argument in reverse about how ugly the 5 is, but different strokes for different folks. I catch more people checking it out and then come talk to me about it when I walk up to my Ioniq 6 than I ever did driving a Corvette. Public opinion seems that it's nice, just too expensive for them. And for those that do want to invest in it, the 5 is more useful to most with the hatchback.
I see. That person refuted the claim that the CT was outselling the Ioniq 6 as I claimed. But from every source I see, CT sold about 70K and Ioniq 6 about half that, hence my original post claiming such. He may be confused and was pulling annual US sales numbers about the Ioniq 5, which sells about 30-35K models per year. But as per my original post and the article, this is about car sales in the US only and defines US market flops in terms of sales numbers, with no other metric considered. The Ioniq 6 was outsold by the CT and had more time on the market, which makes it arguably worse.
So unless you have a lot of very specific knowledge, that's going to be beyond the layman to do. This article didn't cover any of those costs in its comparison beteeen the Edsel and the CT. They compared sales numbers. Anything else would be cool to know, but aren't really important in terms of what was compared here.
Are you confusing Ioniq 5 with the 6? I doubt Hyundai sold 37,000 Ioniq 6s in the US throughout its entire production run, but Tesla sold 38,965 CTs in 2024 alone, and a little over 20K in 2025. I have seen this number on other sites as well. Hyundai reported percentage decline for the Ioniq 6, but I saw sliding numbers from 2023 to 2024 where they sold about 9000 cars per year down to only about 1200 in total for 2026 before they pulled out. The Ioniq 5 sells over 30K cars per year.
For sure I think that matters. Total investment cost in developing it and manufacturing facilities as well too. At least the Ioniq 6 sells well elsewhere. It's more of a US flop, but I doubt they are thinking beyond their borders when it comes to worst automotive flop ever.
While that may be true, I can't imagine any American article considering a perspective outside of the US. CT is available in Canada as well, and at least anecdotally, I see them just a little less often than Ioniq 6s. I bought a 6 a couple years ago and love it. Interestingly, I did not find the 5 as appealing, though it too had good bona fides as an EV.
Can't be the worst flop. The Cybertruck outsold the Ioniq 6 by roughly a 2:1 margin in the US. Both were introduced around the same time, and it sounds like Hyundai already pulled the 6 from the US market. But while the Cybertruck was a certified piece of crap, the Ioniq 6 was consistently rated at the top of available EV on the market. I guess sedans are pretty much DOA as a body style these days though.
You can borrow against its value or reverse mortgage it for money to fund your retirement. Or as you said, many choose to sell their expensive city homes and retire to a small town with lower cost of living. That usually drives up prices in the nearby, more desirable small towns.
I see the same on my commute, but it isn't random. The same lanes consistently move faster between the same stretches every day. If you know how and when to merge, you can shave a significant amount of time off your drive.
I did this with me and a buddy vs six AIs. I went in for a hit against one, and two other armies showed up and wrecked my army and then all three went and hit my base. So being Terran, I managed to save my Command Center and a few other buildings and fles into my buddy's base, then we built up and wiped the AIs. Not quite the lone ranger SCV rebuild from scratch, but fun anyway.
They won't be given a weapon until they're at the front and facing the direction they need to walk in, and if they even start to turn, they'll be shot before they can halfway pivot towards their own side. So they face the choice of being executed at that moment or walk towards the enemy force. I imagine most take their chances trying the latter. You might get to surrender, if you're lucky.
The update in this case was software. It reduces the charging rate and runs fans during charging to lower the temperature the ICCU has to endure. I bought my car in early 2025 with the update in place and never ran the ICCU at the older, higher temperature. I suspect that a fix like that wouldn't help anyone who had already baked theirs for months or years.
Looks like a piece of art to me. I'd make your argument in reverse about how ugly the 5 is, but different strokes for different folks. I catch more people checking it out and then come talk to me about it when I walk up to my Ioniq 6 than I ever did driving a Corvette. Public opinion seems that it's nice, just too expensive for them. And for those that do want to invest in it, the 5 is more useful to most with the hatchback.
I see. That person refuted the claim that the CT was outselling the Ioniq 6 as I claimed. But from every source I see, CT sold about 70K and Ioniq 6 about half that, hence my original post claiming such. He may be confused and was pulling annual US sales numbers about the Ioniq 5, which sells about 30-35K models per year. But as per my original post and the article, this is about car sales in the US only and defines US market flops in terms of sales numbers, with no other metric considered. The Ioniq 6 was outsold by the CT and had more time on the market, which makes it arguably worse.
So unless you have a lot of very specific knowledge, that's going to be beyond the layman to do. This article didn't cover any of those costs in its comparison beteeen the Edsel and the CT. They compared sales numbers. Anything else would be cool to know, but aren't really important in terms of what was compared here.
And? The CT sold more than that in 2024 alone. I am confused as to what point you are trying to make here.
Are you confusing Ioniq 5 with the 6? I doubt Hyundai sold 37,000 Ioniq 6s in the US throughout its entire production run, but Tesla sold 38,965 CTs in 2024 alone, and a little over 20K in 2025. I have seen this number on other sites as well. Hyundai reported percentage decline for the Ioniq 6, but I saw sliding numbers from 2023 to 2024 where they sold about 9000 cars per year down to only about 1200 in total for 2026 before they pulled out. The Ioniq 5 sells over 30K cars per year.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-cybertruck-sales-elon-musk/
https://evseekers.com/hyundai-ev-sales-by-year/
For sure I think that matters. Total investment cost in developing it and manufacturing facilities as well too. At least the Ioniq 6 sells well elsewhere. It's more of a US flop, but I doubt they are thinking beyond their borders when it comes to worst automotive flop ever.
While that may be true, I can't imagine any American article considering a perspective outside of the US. CT is available in Canada as well, and at least anecdotally, I see them just a little less often than Ioniq 6s. I bought a 6 a couple years ago and love it. Interestingly, I did not find the 5 as appealing, though it too had good bona fides as an EV.
Can't be the worst flop. The Cybertruck outsold the Ioniq 6 by roughly a 2:1 margin in the US. Both were introduced around the same time, and it sounds like Hyundai already pulled the 6 from the US market. But while the Cybertruck was a certified piece of crap, the Ioniq 6 was consistently rated at the top of available EV on the market. I guess sedans are pretty much DOA as a body style these days though.
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You can borrow against its value or reverse mortgage it for money to fund your retirement. Or as you said, many choose to sell their expensive city homes and retire to a small town with lower cost of living. That usually drives up prices in the nearby, more desirable small towns.
Sokath, his eyes open!
I see the same on my commute, but it isn't random. The same lanes consistently move faster between the same stretches every day. If you know how and when to merge, you can shave a significant amount of time off your drive.
That goddamned dome mission once a year? You masochist.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe
I did this with me and a buddy vs six AIs. I went in for a hit against one, and two other armies showed up and wrecked my army and then all three went and hit my base. So being Terran, I managed to save my Command Center and a few other buildings and fles into my buddy's base, then we built up and wiped the AIs. Not quite the lone ranger SCV rebuild from scratch, but fun anyway.
Seriously, we oughta give them the boot.
The Aristocrats?
They won't be given a weapon until they're at the front and facing the direction they need to walk in, and if they even start to turn, they'll be shot before they can halfway pivot towards their own side. So they face the choice of being executed at that moment or walk towards the enemy force. I imagine most take their chances trying the latter. You might get to surrender, if you're lucky.
The update in this case was software. It reduces the charging rate and runs fans during charging to lower the temperature the ICCU has to endure. I bought my car in early 2025 with the update in place and never ran the ICCU at the older, higher temperature. I suspect that a fix like that wouldn't help anyone who had already baked theirs for months or years.