it was made more recently than 1 week ago, but it was removed. The post was asking about how big of a deal "cis-phobia" and "hetero-phobia" are. The OP said they are told all the time that "cis-phobia" is just as big of a deal or a bigger deal than transphobia, etc. so they were asking if this is true.
lmao. The hardest form of "cisphobia" you'll find is mild annoyance and the hardest form of transphobia remains INSTANT DEATH by people who hate you so...
CisHet male. I can't really even imagine Cisphobia harming me. I'm more worried about dying to a blue ringed octopus, and I've never even been to Australia.
Though ironically in this video Zizek raises this part of the Communist Manifesto:
The bourgeoisie cannot exist without constantly revolutionizing the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society. Conservation of the old modes of production in unaltered forms, was, on the contrary, the first condition of existence for all earlier industrial classes. Constant revolutionizing of production, uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting uncertainty and agitation, distinguish the bourgeois epoch from all earlier ones. All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away; all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life and his relations with his kind.
Based on this sentence he argues being transgender is not revolutionary but actually the ultimate form of capitalist culture whereby social categories, even the "solid, stable" gender categories, are rendered into something fluid and presumably gender also "melts into air".
He then argues that because Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, and Tim Cook "fanatically support transgender toilets" (??), the capitalist class is friendly with the trans rights movements, and so the trans rights movement is not only not revolutionary, it is "typical of late capitalist subjectivity with this infinite plasticity and so on and so on".
they are told all the time that "cis-phobia" is just as big of a deal or a bigger deal than transphobia
This is mind-blowingly stupid. These people did not know the term cis three years ago, not even in the context of organic chemistry, and now it's a bigger problem that transphobia.
Oh wow. Like I can't speak to the struggles cis people face for their cisness, I've never been cis. But also I've never seen somewhere that passed a law saying that only men are allowed to have an abortion or that only AMAB people are allowed to have estrogen.
I suck at dancing, and I am envious of the wonderful accessories women "get" to wear.
On the flip side, I can fit a whole phone in my pocket and I'm stupid strong (for a sedentary desk jockey). So I can't really say that I'm struggling over here.
my dad wasn't religious at all (he was a New Age liberal), but he still hated the gays and tr*nnies, etc. - bigotry can easily be rationalized through theology, but it's not really coming from the theology ...
It's part of the culture. When I was a kid, trans people were portrayed as serial killers (Silence of the Lambs) or villains. Gay people were seen as no different than pedophiles. This was true in the general, "secular" culture as well as in more conservative and religious communities.
Not to deny the connection between homophobia / transphobia and Christianity (it's also probably the root of misogyny and patriarchy, as well), but I just want to emphasize that it can be cultural and not just for religious reasons.
Ultimately I think people find cross-gender and mixed-sex traits as disgusting - it's commonly used in horror films to convey something monstrous and terrifying, for example. If you want to create a jump scare in a movie, you might flash a face that has male features with heavy feminine makeup and hair on the screen, for example.
Probably a lot of this is from socialization and culture, but I suspect given the behavior of primates and other animals, that on some level "sexing" and gendering one another ties to biological processes that might be universal in humans - not that we should think biology determines destiny, there are many human cultures that don't debase or mistreat mixed-sex, cross-gender, etc. people.
You could probably tie a lot of the anti-trans stuff to colonialism and imperialism as well (and that ties back into Christianity, too).
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SarahValentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 33 pts · 156d
What recent post? The most recent is 1 week old and has nothing to do with this.
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 71 pts · 156d
it was made more recently than 1 week ago, but it was removed. The post was asking about how big of a deal "cis-phobia" and "hetero-phobia" are. The OP said they are told all the time that "cis-phobia" is just as big of a deal or a bigger deal than transphobia, etc. so they were asking if this is true.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 156d
lmao. The hardest form of "cisphobia" you'll find is mild annoyance and the hardest form of transphobia remains INSTANT DEATH by people who hate you so...
lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 38 pts · 156d
So it's suffering on both sides. I refuse to quantify suffering. All suffering is bad /s
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 156d
aLl LiVeS mAtTeR
chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 26 pts · 156d
CisHet male. I can't really even imagine Cisphobia harming me. I'm more worried about dying to a blue ringed octopus, and I've never even been to Australia.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 155d
I'm going to buy me a blue ringed octopus and name it Cissy just to mess with you now.
[editor's note: they are too lazy to actually do that]
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 155d
But haven't you seen Zizek's scary non-binary soldier with a "die cis scum" tattoo!? 😱
Though ironically in this video Zizek raises this part of the Communist Manifesto:
Based on this sentence he argues being transgender is not revolutionary but actually the ultimate form of capitalist culture whereby social categories, even the "solid, stable" gender categories, are rendered into something fluid and presumably gender also "melts into air".
He then argues that because Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, and Tim Cook "fanatically support transgender toilets" (??), the capitalist class is friendly with the trans rights movements, and so the trans rights movement is not only not revolutionary, it is "typical of late capitalist subjectivity with this infinite plasticity and so on and so on".
atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 156d
this can only mean one thing
we should kill more people for being cis!
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 156d
https://youtube.com/watch?v=sH1Zu3KaaDo
ratsnake@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 39 pts · 156d
carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 156d
nono its true there was even a bus once /j
ratsnake@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 156d
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 156d
This sounds like a version of the "centrist" position that racism is bad, but calling people out for racism is MUCH, MUCH worse!
marcela@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 156d
Emphasis placed wisely
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 156d
Oh I can tell you people are very sensitive getting called out
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 156d
"you people?"
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 156d
oops i did a racism
sukhmel@programming.dev · 5 pts · 156d
Comma phobia
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 155d
I didn't get what it was supposed to say until this comment, so thanks!
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 155d
hey my sister was in a comma i thought we went over this
marcela@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 18 pts · 156d
Oh dear, I saw that.
And immediately looked away.
This is mind-blowingly stupid. These people did not know the term cis three years ago, not even in the context of organic chemistry, and now it's a bigger problem that transphobia.
Domi@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 156d
yikes
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 156d
That's one hell of a sea lion
Gladaed@feddit.org · 2 pts · 156d
I think I don't get that turn of phrase. Can you explain?
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 156d
It's a reference to this comic that became a slang term for the general category of behavior that it focuses on
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 156d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 156d
Oh wow. Like I can't speak to the struggles cis people face for their cisness, I've never been cis. But also I've never seen somewhere that passed a law saying that only men are allowed to have an abortion or that only AMAB people are allowed to have estrogen.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 155d
I suck at dancing, and I am envious of the wonderful accessories women "get" to wear.
On the flip side, I can fit a whole phone in my pocket and I'm stupid strong (for a sedentary desk jockey). So I can't really say that I'm struggling over here.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 154d
Cis phobia is when trans people have the audacity to exist
E: Sorry I don't know I'm tacking on to your comment, please carry on
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 154d
no, I like your comment 🫡
SarahValentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 156d
Ah okay, thanks for the info!
null@lemmy.org · 14 pts · 156d
SHE LOOKS LIKE SHE FUCKS HUMAN WOMEN
AGREED
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 156d
Can anyone translate this for me? I don't know what Yuri means.
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 30 pts · 156d
Yuri refers to Japanese media (like anime, manga, etc.) focused on same-sex relationships between girls / women
the male equivalent is yaoi
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · 15 pts · 156d
Wow, there's dudes so straight that FF relations offend them? I didn't know.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 12 pts · 156d
Religious people.
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 156d
my dad wasn't religious at all (he was a New Age liberal), but he still hated the gays and tr*nnies, etc. - bigotry can easily be rationalized through theology, but it's not really coming from the theology ...
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 156d
Got any idea why? I read all the stuff you wrote before too.
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 155d
It's part of the culture. When I was a kid, trans people were portrayed as serial killers (Silence of the Lambs) or villains. Gay people were seen as no different than pedophiles. This was true in the general, "secular" culture as well as in more conservative and religious communities.
Not to deny the connection between homophobia / transphobia and Christianity (it's also probably the root of misogyny and patriarchy, as well), but I just want to emphasize that it can be cultural and not just for religious reasons.
Ultimately I think people find cross-gender and mixed-sex traits as disgusting - it's commonly used in horror films to convey something monstrous and terrifying, for example. If you want to create a jump scare in a movie, you might flash a face that has male features with heavy feminine makeup and hair on the screen, for example.
Probably a lot of this is from socialization and culture, but I suspect given the behavior of primates and other animals, that on some level "sexing" and gendering one another ties to biological processes that might be universal in humans - not that we should think biology determines destiny, there are many human cultures that don't debase or mistreat mixed-sex, cross-gender, etc. people.
You could probably tie a lot of the anti-trans stuff to colonialism and imperialism as well (and that ties back into Christianity, too).
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 155d
You did write the first paragraph before.
animephantasm@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 156d
Yuri is media depicting romantic and/or sexual relationships between women.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 156d
How much you paying me for this?
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 156d
whatever your state laws require prisoners be paid, presumably (notice the chain)