must be surreal, i cant thibk5 of a more car dependent city i have ever visited with near zero real changes over the years.
i watched Bangkok lay so much light rail over the last 30years, it was amazing, Manila, sweet fcuk all. I am sure the minimal overcrowded rail will be even worse.
the electric jeepney thing seemed to go no where? what happened ?
I’m not 100% up to date on the jeepney thing, but my understanding is that the electric jeepney replacements were way to expensive for the drivers to afford.
But honestly, that wouldn’t help with traffic that was more about getting the dirty jeepneys off the road.
Manila needs a legit bus service. I get that jeepneys are cultural, but they are small, crowded, stop anywhere to pickup or drop off people(sometimes multiple stops on a single block), and they rarely have working brake lights. They are dirty and dangerous to have on the road.
Manila also needs to increase the number of trains by like triple so the wait between trains and crowded is significantly reduced and they need way more stations.
I wasn't a fan of e-jeepneys and it's actually the reason why I quit my office job and did WFH. The problem with e-jeeps is that it was still prone to corruption and diskarte, to the detriment of passengers.
Unlike with traditional jeeps that they would fill up beyond capacity that only harms that one last unlucky schmuck that gets fooled into entering (and they still have the choice to not enter), an e-jeep hurts everyone because it's extremely hard to breath inside with the windows sealed shut and the aisles filled with standing passengers and the much-hyped aircon only set to the lowest.
I would much rather have the open jeeps and just have the governing body enforce rules that they keep it well maintained and upgrade to better engines that are not necessarily aircon. E-jeeps are fucking gimmicky and a joke.
I never got on one, but that sounds pretty bad. I wish the gov enforced rules on jeepneys so bad. I hate being stuck behind one watching smoke billow out of it.
the electric jeepney thing seemed to go no where? what happened ?
Ejeepneys are beyond affordability, as traditional diesel jeepneys are easier to fix by most mechanics.
i watched Bangkok lay so much light rail over the last 30years, it was amazing, Manila, sweet fcuk all. I am sure the minimal overcrowded rail will be even worse.
Thais had already wider streets and some extra eminent domain allowing them to build more railways.
Eminent domain in this country is very weak, that's why projects took more time to process to clear property rights and why some infrastructure look weird like electric poles in the middle of roads or telephone wires running through pedestrian overpasses.
That the automotive lobbies don't like mass transit getting in the way of profit, as they take advantage of public transportation's apparent failure of giving people efficient and hassle-free travel, and convince the masses to buy more cars and motorcycles.
maybe a surge in escooters and solar panels?
e-bikes are already popular, but more sales are likely to rise.
I wonder how representative an image like this is. Only because my initial thought was being surprised there weren't more mopeds. Then it occurred to me these vehicles are probably just zooming along at a consistent speed without being stuck as a traffic jam.
I'd be curious to know how the vehicle count per hour has changed over the last two months. That second image is certainly the one I'd prefer to be driving in.
I'd say it's not a fair representation of what's happening. Traffic is still bad during rush hours and certain parts of the day. It's probably less congested on off-peak hours but who knows if that's just an anomaly or really from petrol prices.
It's certainly not like during the lockdown/pandemic. That was surreal, almost a throwback to how the streets looked like in the 90s.
I keep seeing posts about this so-called "empty Metro Manila" in social media and I'm just not seeing it.
The comparison photo is not a good example. The top photo is of EDSA (on what appears to be a rush hour) which is ALWAYS congested, while the one at the bottom is of a random highway in the city at a non-peak hour (you could tell from the many parked cars at the side and the lack of any passengers flagging jeeps).
Personally, it's still the same volume of vehicles (it's particularly worse on Monday mornings which has not changed one bit) when we're dropping off the kids at school which requires us to pass by the proverbial Killer Highway.
If there's one takeaway from the fuel crisis, it's that we've been conscious about how we expend fuel. Other than necessary trips (e.g. driving to work, dropping off kids), we pretty much eliminated everything else from our routine. No more malls, no picking up my sisters to spend the week with us, no Visita Inglesia this year, walking several blocks to do errands instead of driving, etc.
But of course, we're not everyone. There's still plenty of rich people that could afford petrol or EV owners with their affordable BYDs and Geely's (right down to the Teslas) who think they're exceptions.
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hanrahan@slrpnk.net · 9 pts · 168d
must be surreal, i cant thibk5 of a more car dependent city i have ever visited with near zero real changes over the years.
i watched Bangkok lay so much light rail over the last 30years, it was amazing, Manila, sweet fcuk all. I am sure the minimal overcrowded rail will be even worse.
the electric jeepney thing seemed to go no where? what happened ?
what a mess :(
maybe a surge in escooters and solar panels?
neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 168d
I’m not 100% up to date on the jeepney thing, but my understanding is that the electric jeepney replacements were way to expensive for the drivers to afford.
But honestly, that wouldn’t help with traffic that was more about getting the dirty jeepneys off the road.
Manila needs a legit bus service. I get that jeepneys are cultural, but they are small, crowded, stop anywhere to pickup or drop off people(sometimes multiple stops on a single block), and they rarely have working brake lights. They are dirty and dangerous to have on the road.
Manila also needs to increase the number of trains by like triple so the wait between trains and crowded is significantly reduced and they need way more stations.
decadentrebel@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 165d
I wasn't a fan of e-jeepneys and it's actually the reason why I quit my office job and did WFH. The problem with e-jeeps is that it was still prone to corruption and diskarte, to the detriment of passengers.
Unlike with traditional jeeps that they would fill up beyond capacity that only harms that one last unlucky schmuck that gets fooled into entering (and they still have the choice to not enter), an e-jeep hurts everyone because it's extremely hard to breath inside with the windows sealed shut and the aisles filled with standing passengers and the much-hyped aircon only set to the lowest.
I would much rather have the open jeeps and just have the governing body enforce rules that they keep it well maintained and upgrade to better engines that are not necessarily aircon. E-jeeps are fucking gimmicky and a joke.
neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 165d
I never got on one, but that sounds pretty bad. I wish the gov enforced rules on jeepneys so bad. I hate being stuck behind one watching smoke billow out of it.
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 167d
Ejeepneys are beyond affordability, as traditional diesel jeepneys are easier to fix by most mechanics.
Thais had already wider streets and some extra eminent domain allowing them to build more railways.
Eminent domain in this country is very weak, that's why projects took more time to process to clear property rights and why some infrastructure look weird like electric poles in the middle of roads or telephone wires running through pedestrian overpasses.
That the automotive lobbies don't like mass transit getting in the way of profit, as they take advantage of public transportation's apparent failure of giving people efficient and hassle-free travel, and convince the masses to buy more cars and motorcycles.
e-bikes are already popular, but more sales are likely to rise.
JoshuaFalken@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 168d
I wonder how representative an image like this is. Only because my initial thought was being surprised there weren't more mopeds. Then it occurred to me these vehicles are probably just zooming along at a consistent speed without being stuck as a traffic jam.
I'd be curious to know how the vehicle count per hour has changed over the last two months. That second image is certainly the one I'd prefer to be driving in.
decadentrebel@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 165d
I'd say it's not a fair representation of what's happening. Traffic is still bad during rush hours and certain parts of the day. It's probably less congested on off-peak hours but who knows if that's just an anomaly or really from petrol prices.
It's certainly not like during the lockdown/pandemic. That was surreal, almost a throwback to how the streets looked like in the 90s.
decadentrebel@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 166d
I keep seeing posts about this so-called "empty Metro Manila" in social media and I'm just not seeing it.
The comparison photo is not a good example. The top photo is of EDSA (on what appears to be a rush hour) which is ALWAYS congested, while the one at the bottom is of a random highway in the city at a non-peak hour (you could tell from the many parked cars at the side and the lack of any passengers flagging jeeps).
Personally, it's still the same volume of vehicles (it's particularly worse on Monday mornings which has not changed one bit) when we're dropping off the kids at school which requires us to pass by the proverbial Killer Highway.
If there's one takeaway from the fuel crisis, it's that we've been conscious about how we expend fuel. Other than necessary trips (e.g. driving to work, dropping off kids), we pretty much eliminated everything else from our routine. No more malls, no picking up my sisters to spend the week with us, no Visita Inglesia this year, walking several blocks to do errands instead of driving, etc.
But of course, we're not everyone. There's still plenty of rich people that could afford petrol or EV owners with their affordable BYDs and Geely's (right down to the Teslas) who think they're exceptions.