could be worse. last year, deutsche bahn put up a job ad looking for a developer familiar with windows 3.1 in a networked environment to work on their fleet of high speed trains.
Industrial embedded software is such a shitshow. Somehow Microsoft convinced companies that Windows is a great solution for controlling heavy machinery.
Tbh there's no reports of that choice leading to actual accidents, but still you're stuck with an old version of Windows with no possibility of upgrade.
specifically i think it's the speedometers that run windows for workgroups. it might be one of those controlled systems you can't switch out without recertifying everything.
"The trajectory of your ship has changed because a critical windows update rebooted your ship during launch. You are now heading directly into the sun. Press the task bar for a list of AI suggested solutions."
I program for ships (the water kind) and buddy, you ain't seen nothin'. I'm talking server infrastructure from 1991. Spaghetti code from the 80's. I had a program that had to run on a dos box, and we had to replace the whole thing because the original developer fucking DIED and no one could read his shit.
I feel like a lot of people are in the bank of "why change of it ain't broke?" That's how you have people working some CNC machines on hardware and software available when the business started.
I worked in medical electronic manufacturing. Changing a single setting for ease of use to the operator was planned as a 2 year project. Literally change a 0 to 1 in one of the files....
Absolutely. I got well acquainted with the regulations. The sad part is it was so slow to update anything nothing got updated.
This system needs to be operational by next week.
It will be a month before its well made.
This needs to be operational by next week.
Ok, but then we can fix it right?
Not to mention any changes to anything got evaluated as either a notice update, a 90 day submission, or a full submission(6 months - 2 years depending on fda, bsi and severity of change). That's in addition to the actual work. I could make a change in a afternoon and may see it in production next year.
A friend of mine writes code for the control systems in nuclear power plants. He told me, on average he writes 13 pages of documentation for each line of code.
I believe it was the 2006/7 Seattle New Years or 4th of July fireworks that had been rigged up to orchestrate by "the latest microsoft technology" and the thing refused to execute and they rebooted the machine three times before someone just gave up and went and hit the firework triggers manually. Most people are pretty sure it was a wide beta version of Vista.
"T minus 10... 9... 8... 7..." System restarting for updates, do not power off... ... ... Yo, wanna back up all your shit? Click here to let us save a copy of all your shit to our servers! Ehhh check that out, it's time for your FREE upgrade to Windows 11! Click here to... wow, fucking rude. Alright. How about an office suite? Ya want an office suite?? Nevermind that Office is already installed, this one's special! ...what are you a fucking peasant or something? Alright fine, here's access back to your peasant-ass operating system and an image of a cartoon cat wearing a wrestling belt for some fucking reason. 🖕
"...-T THE FUCK ARE DOING, I SAID ABORT DAMNIT! THE WIND PICKED UP, HARD! YOU CAN'T BRING THE FUEL TANK THROUGH THAT MUCH TURBU--" explodes
I was always told it had to do with how long it took to get things approved. I remember when it was a big deal that the space shuttles were upgraded to 486s… in 2002.
it's also because the smaller a transistor is, the more sensitive it is to cosmic rays. and there are a lot more cosmic rays in space than on earth. you can "rad-harden" them, but there are physical limits. as a result the most popular cpu architecture in space is the RAD750, based on the PowerPC 750 from 1997. the perseverance rover and the james webb space telescope are basically underclocked gamecubes, or those candy-colored imacs. like, perserverance runs at 133MHz and has 128MB of RAM.
You know we're sitting on four million pounds of fuel, one nuclear weapon and a thing that has 270,000 moving parts built by the lowest bidder. Makes you feel good, doesn't it?
That is probably why Microsoft removed the BSOD, so that they can deny being responsible for the death of the astronauts.
All jokes aside, I imagine it is a heavily curated version of Windows with only the strict nescessary for operating the systems and multiple redundencies.
I can't imagine NASA risking a disaster while their budgets are being slashed.
Negative! That's a negative young man! You shouldn't have been playing on it during flight, you dad told you to put it away! You're supposed to be there in the moment and enjoy the flight and to look back at planet earth as the pale blue ball. Now sit there and wait until the engine stops.
53 Comments
lime@feddit.nu · 88 pts · 136d
could be worse. last year, deutsche bahn put up a job ad looking for a developer familiar with windows 3.1 in a networked environment to work on their fleet of high speed trains.
mech@feddit.org · 79 pts · 136d
lime@feddit.nu · 19 pts · 136d
clippy is too modern for the ICE.
ouRKaoS@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 135d
CanadianCarl@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 134d
Not all of them.
flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz · 21 pts · 136d
Industrial embedded software is such a shitshow. Somehow Microsoft convinced companies that Windows is a great solution for controlling heavy machinery.
Tbh there's no reports of that choice leading to actual accidents, but still you're stuck with an old version of Windows with no possibility of upgrade.
elvith@feddit.org · 9 pts · 136d
On the plus side, you might also end up maintaining their own Linux distribution Linux4ICE (or the newer one called EULE) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
lime@feddit.nu · 5 pts · 136d
specifically i think it's the speedometers that run windows for workgroups. it might be one of those controlled systems you can't switch out without recertifying everything.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 134d
Sorry, what? Is this a thing where they beat the Y2K bug by just moving their clocks back for 30 years?
lime@feddit.nu · 1 pts · 134d
well the ice is like 35 years old i think
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 77 pts · 136d
At this point, I'd feel much safer on a Win10 powered spaceship than a Win11 one. At least it isn't "30% AI-generated".
musubibreakfast@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 136d
"The trajectory of your ship has changed because a critical windows update rebooted your ship during launch. You are now heading directly into the sun. Press the task bar for a list of AI suggested solutions."
-Ground control
SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 136d
Look to the right end of the taskbar for the weather in your destination as well as the latest UV index
Rooskie91@discuss.online · 58 pts · 136d
I program for ships (the water kind) and buddy, you ain't seen nothin'. I'm talking server infrastructure from 1991. Spaghetti code from the 80's. I had a program that had to run on a dos box, and we had to replace the whole thing because the original developer fucking DIED and no one could read his shit.
SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 136d
Now that's how to secure job security
Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 136d
I feel like a lot of people are in the bank of "why change of it ain't broke?" That's how you have people working some CNC machines on hardware and software available when the business started.
Glemek@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 136d
There are still manual machinists around who have jobs like bore a few individual holes on some weldment.
tjsauce@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 136d
So DOSBOX has a place in industrial settings? Glad it's open source
vrek@programming.dev · 4 pts · 136d
I worked in medical electronic manufacturing. Changing a single setting for ease of use to the operator was planned as a 2 year project. Literally change a 0 to 1 in one of the files....
chaogomu@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 136d
I'd imagine that one is because of medical more than anything else. There are all sorts of regulations around medical devices. That slows shit down.
vrek@programming.dev · 3 pts · 136d
Absolutely. I got well acquainted with the regulations. The sad part is it was so slow to update anything nothing got updated.
This system needs to be operational by next week. It will be a month before its well made. This needs to be operational by next week. Ok, but then we can fix it right?
Not to mention any changes to anything got evaluated as either a notice update, a 90 day submission, or a full submission(6 months - 2 years depending on fda, bsi and severity of change). That's in addition to the actual work. I could make a change in a afternoon and may see it in production next year.
mech@feddit.org · 1 pts · 136d
A friend of mine writes code for the control systems in nuclear power plants. He told me, on average he writes 13 pages of documentation for each line of code.
vrek@programming.dev · 2 pts · 134d
From working in medical device if that's all the documentation he is writing I'm jealous.
LordCrom@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 136d
Hire me...... a greybeard that does cobol and fortran
ch00f@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 136d
Opens Windows.
Air escapes. Asphyxiate.
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub · 29 pts · 136d
Your rocket will ignite in fifteen minutes.
Actually, it's looking more like six days.
No wait, thirty seconds.
Fetus@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 136d
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Windows is installing updates. Please don't turn off your computer.
NarrativeBear@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 136d
Windows 11 is a hot pile of garbage. Windows 10 was a "better" choice TBH
mech@feddit.org · 16 pts · 136d
RHEL 7 would have been an even better choice, though.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 136d
And Rocky would be an even better choice.
mech@feddit.org · 3 pts · 136d
I'm pretty sure you can't get approval for a community-maintained OS without enterprise support to send people to the moon.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 135d
NASA are big fans of FOSS Linux.
I don’t like depending on corporations for anything and I’m not even a government agency or launching rockets.
mech@feddit.org · 3 pts · 135d
RHEL 7 is also FOSS Linux, though.
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip · 19 pts · 134d
"Hey uh, Mission Control? I've got two Outlooks and neither of them are working" A real quote from the mission btw
ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 136d
I believe it was the 2006/7 Seattle New Years or 4th of July fireworks that had been rigged up to orchestrate by "the latest microsoft technology" and the thing refused to execute and they rebooted the machine three times before someone just gave up and went and hit the firework triggers manually. Most people are pretty sure it was a wide beta version of Vista.
Murse@slrpnk.net · 11 pts · 136d
"T minus 10... 9... 8... 7..." System restarting for updates, do not power off... ... ... Yo, wanna back up all your shit? Click here to let us save a copy of all your shit to our servers! Ehhh check that out, it's time for your FREE upgrade to Windows 11! Click here to... wow, fucking rude. Alright. How about an office suite? Ya want an office suite?? Nevermind that Office is already installed, this one's special! ...what are you a fucking peasant or something? Alright fine, here's access back to your peasant-ass operating system and an image of a cartoon cat wearing a wrestling belt for some fucking reason. 🖕
"...-T THE FUCK ARE DOING, I SAID ABORT DAMNIT! THE WIND PICKED UP, HARD! YOU CAN'T BRING THE FUEL TANK THROUGH THAT MUCH TURBU--" explodes
Jomega@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 136d
Doesn't NASA use older tech because it's more secure? I think I remember reading that somewhere.
mech@feddit.org · 12 pts · 136d
Yes, they used to use Debian Oldoldstable on Thinkpads in the ISS. Don't know if they still do.
FrChazzz@lemmus.org · 7 pts · 136d
I was always told it had to do with how long it took to get things approved. I remember when it was a big deal that the space shuttles were upgraded to 486s… in 2002.
lime@feddit.nu · 9 pts · 135d
it's also because the smaller a transistor is, the more sensitive it is to cosmic rays. and there are a lot more cosmic rays in space than on earth. you can "rad-harden" them, but there are physical limits. as a result the most popular cpu architecture in space is the RAD750, based on the PowerPC 750 from 1997. the perseverance rover and the james webb space telescope are basically underclocked gamecubes, or those candy-colored imacs. like, perserverance runs at 133MHz and has 128MB of RAM.
Zelaf@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 135d
I saw him typing in his pin code too. It was 3939.
mech@feddit.org · 6 pts · 135d
brb hacking the moon mission
MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 135d
When watching the launch, I just imagined if a random fan was in charge, and it suddenly became a kerbal mission.
No fuel and orbiting for 400+ days? Jeb will be fine...
DmMacniel@feddit.org · 7 pts · 136d
jdr8@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 136d
It’s fine! Totally fine! Because they have Copilot.
Badumm tss
I’ll see myself out…
fenrasulfr@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 135d
That is probably why Microsoft removed the BSOD, so that they can deny being responsible for the death of the astronauts.
All jokes aside, I imagine it is a heavily curated version of Windows with only the strict nescessary for operating the systems and multiple redundencies. I can't imagine NASA risking a disaster while their budgets are being slashed.
thatradomguy@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 136d
IT Crowd - Vista
JamieDub86@piefed.social · 4 pts · 136d
But does it have an XBox controller?
altphoto@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 135d
Houston, I've dropped the stilus! Noise iiiiii
Eheeeeeh can I go get it? Noise iiiiii
Negative! That's a negative young man! You shouldn't have been playing on it during flight, you dad told you to put it away! You're supposed to be there in the moment and enjoy the flight and to look back at planet earth as the pale blue ball. Now sit there and wait until the engine stops.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 136d
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MApwCxI6Oek
FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 136d
Is this better or worse than macOS?
kirao47@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 134d
wait. this is real???
mech@feddit.org · 1 pts · 133d
Yes