LLM-generated passwords (generated directly by the LLM, rather than by an agent using a tool) appear strong, but are fundamentally insecure, because LLMs are designed to predict tokens – the opposite of securely and uniformly sampling random characters.
Vibe Password Generation: Predictable by Design
https://www.irregular.com/publications/vibe-password-generation
17 Comments
markz@suppo.fi · 74 pts · 139d
Don't tell me people are using llms to generate passwords
kogasa@programming.dev · 53 pts · 139d
People are using LLMs to diagnose disease, write prescriptions, deny health care claims, deny loans and grants, write scientific papers, review scientific papers, draft engineering and architectural documents, and talk to their loved ones
Despair
Steve@communick.news · 13 pts · 139d
Very well. If you don't want me to tell you the truth about people using LLMs to make passwords, I won't.
KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 139d
Getting away from more direct requests I can absolutely imagine AI offering passwords/suggestions as part of a coding session. Including "temp" passwords that look secure so "why bother changing it?".
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 139d
Even where they aren't, I bet this is something that could end up happening when using them as open-ended agents that might try making their own accounts. The article also mentions this:
Ephera@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 139d
I imagine, it's a matter of asking it to generate some configuration and one of the fields in that configuration is for a password, so the LLM just auto-completes what a password is most likely to look like.
fiatcode@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 139d
I know someone who generate passwords in AI chat
guy@piefed.social · 25 pts · 139d
Welp, that's another thing I hadn't thought you could use llms for and another thing I would never do
Melobol@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 139d
Why not do this....
Corect horse battery staple
trailee@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 139d
Many password manager generators already do (use the "memorable" type).
Ephera@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 139d
The problem is that in this case, the LLM just naively auto-completes a password from what it knows a password to most likely look like.
It is possible to enable an LLM to call external tools and to provide it with instructions, so that it's likely to auto-complete the tool call instead. Then you could have it call a tool to generate a correct horse battery staple, or a completely random password by e.g. calling the
pwgencommand on Linux.But yeah, that just isn't what this article is about. It's specifically about cases where an LLM is used without tool calls and therefore naively auto-completes the most likely password-like string.
Melobol@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 139d
I'm kinda interested how nany accounts you could log in with those strings :D
eager_eagle@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 139d
pls don't spread my password around like that
64bithero@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 139d
Yes!
QuiltedNematoadNotepad486
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 139d
This is akin to asking Karen from accounting to generate a password for you, and trusting that it will be a true random and secure password and that she won't yap about it to everyone.
That statement is one of the painfully dumbest things I've read in my life, and I've read the bible.
64bithero@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 139d
Irregular ? Like my bowel movements ?
mr_anny@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 139d
Not again this horrible web design/engine whatever laggin/stuttering the way it almost induce a epileptic seizure in me.