The House of Representatives is set to vote Wednesday on renewing a spy power that grants the Trump administration warrantless access to thousands of Americans’ communications.
While uniting against President Donald Trump on many fronts, Democrats are split on what to do over the domestic spying power — and the party’s leadership isn’t giving much guidance, according to a congressional notice obtained by The Intercept.
In the notice laying out leadership’s advice on bills up for a vote this week, Democratic Whip Katherine Clark simply explained that the relevant top committee leaders were split. House Intelligence Committee Ranking Member Jim Himes supports a clean reauthorization of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, while Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Jamie Raskin wants further reforms.
Clark gave straight up-or-down recommendations on many other pieces of legislation, but not the spying law.
With leadership silent, progressive activists are trying to step into the void to pressure members. They say Trump’s disregard for the rule of law in his second term means that representatives should only vote for the law with reforms. Government officials have engaged a pattern of abuses at the Justice Department.
Centrists on two key committees, on the other hand, say that modest changes enacted in 2024 went far enough and Congress should give Trump the so-called “clean” reauthorization he has requested.
With Republicans themselves divided, the margin within the Democratic caucus could prove crucial.
Rather than advising members how to vote, however, Democratic leaders is stepping aside. House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y., has said that he personally supports reforms but has not signaled that he will pressure his caucus. (Jeffries’s office did not immediately respond to a request for comment.)
31 Comments
My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world · 63 pts · 149d
At what point can they just not be called "representatives" anymore? It seems like their ability to actually represent constituents atrophied and died a long time ago.
Or, at least keep the "representative" moniker, but put "Lobby" in front of it.
leoj@piefed.social · 28 pts · 149d
I feel like we need a lot more of them, so they can be responsible to a reasonably sized group of people.
Right now they represent so many of us they can just pretend to ignore us and only listen to the rich donors.
If there are a thousand reps it gets a lot more expensive to rig elections and buy votes.
gilindoeslemmy@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 149d
You underestimate how rich the dark money donors are.
in_my_honest_opinion@piefed.social · 7 pts · 149d
Yes, and, how cheaply politicians can be bought.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%3D%22US%22%2BPolitician%2B%241k%2Bbribe&chip-select=search&rpl=1&ia=web
leoj@piefed.social · 2 pts · 149d
You squash incremental progress with no alternative offered.
in_my_honest_opinion@piefed.social · 4 pts · 149d
We can do this by just dissolving the Senate and the Electoral College actually. It's not going to happen, but there is already a solution available.
chaogomu@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 149d
The Senate does need to go, but that requires a constitutional amendment.
Electoral college requires one as well, or more action in a few states with that interstate compact.
The actual easy answer is a repeal of the 1929 permanent apportionment act.
That would mean that we could increase the size of the House.
in_my_honest_opinion@piefed.social · 2 pts · 149d
The Senate would just continue to block progressive policy though. However, yes, repealing 1929 apportionment and packing the Supreme Court would go a long way and is more achievable short term.
leoj@piefed.social · 1 pts · 149d
thank you, hence my suggestion lol
IronBird@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 148d
back when they capped the House seats it was roughly 200k/seat, now it's nearing 1m/seat
it should be noted that the cap was specifically put in place to hamstring a growing progressive movement from cities
MrSmoothPP@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 149d
They're still representatives, it's just that they represent capital rather than people.
Steve@startrek.website · 3 pts · 149d
These traitors see themselves as our leaders and the old “representative” label is just a tradition/formality, similar to “equal rights” or “rule of law”
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 149d
They represent Israel
FenrirIII@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 149d
And the Epstein Class
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 148d
Same picture
Gates9@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 149d
The rich people who run both parties need a police state to maintain their aristocracy
lobut@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 149d
Primary these people, canvas, talk to your neighbors. Power to the people. Do not give up. If you care enough, taking back power is inevitable. Don't give in.
BigMacHole@thelemmy.club · 10 pts · 148d
We will do WHATEVER Trump wants so REMEMBER to VOTE BLUE no Matter WHO (UNLESS that Blue WONT Support Trump!)
-Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer!
13igTyme@piefed.social · 7 pts · 149d
Party leadership isn't giving guidance.
Why do they need guidance? If republicans are in favor of something, it's bad.
Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 148d
Republicans control all three branches of government. But yeah, let's focus on the opposition party out of power.
Janx@piefed.social · 3 pts · 148d
"wHy ArEn'T dEmOcRaTs FiXiNg EvErYtHiNg!?"
...But we all still need to fight fascism. Every day.
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 148d
I mean, I 100% support calling out the Dems when they do obviously morally questionable things. They also just did something good (blocking arms sales to Israel), and even though it didn't pass (bc they're the minority), they deserve to be acknowledged when they do the right thing. It certainly took them long enough, and honestly, I doubt they would have united if not for public pressure, and journalists pointing out the hypocrisy/questioning why wealthy donors often seem to have more sway over Dems than their own voters do.
Domestic surveillance is an issue even Republicans are divided on, and most Americans, regardless of party, are opposed to the government trampling on civil liberty in the name of "safety" and "patriotic duty." Especially during an unjust forever war. We've seen this one before. We know how it ends.
The Patriot Act marked a very clear turning point for America. If you value democracy and civil liberty, expanding domestic surveillance power is a terrible idea. Even Trump opposed this when it was just a campaign issue, but now he's suddenly in favor of it. Why?
This really should have been a no brainer issue for Dems to rally behind and support. Like this should be a major part of any 2028 presidential campaign. Given how many AI investors and other evil billionaires are now raining donations on to politicians in hopes of accessing the data the government collects or being contracted by the government to collect it, we should all be asking why the Dems didn't take the ball and run with this one.
8oow3291d@feddit.dk · 1 pts · 148d
Surely you can't expect Republican congressmen to have agency to protect American citizens' privacy?
HubertManne@piefed.social · 3 pts · 148d
fisa has been extremely unpopular with liberal folks who vote. they should not be reupping this bulltrump.
boaratio@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 149d
Thousands?
kreskin@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 149d
But remember everyone, vote blue no matter who. Once in power the dems will for sure care about what the voters want and need, and end the genocide too--- pinky swear.
/s
Janx@piefed.social · 0 pts · 148d
This administration is doing whatever it wants because millions of people couldn't be bothered to vote.
TronBronson@lemmy.world · -13 pts · 149d
Yeah bro, you guys keep talking like the Democrats are gonna save us when they’re selling us out at a slightly slower rate than the Republicans. It’s just a choice between getting fucked hard or fucked softly. At this point, I’m gonna vote for Republican so they can fuck the world to death.
btsax@reddthat.com · 6 pts · 149d
Accelerationism is so edgy
TronBronson@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 132d
Accelerationism is here, what are you going to do undo 40 years of miseducation and propaganda in time to stop the world from collapsing?
TronBronson@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 132d
No, it's popular. Get in loser we're crumbling the old order.