They don't mention it in the description but this is mainly about kernel fixes and some associated utilities which have improved VRAM management on AMD GPUs on Linux. It's not upstreamed yet AFAICT, but that's why they used CachyOS which includes the patches and utilities out of the box.
Ostensibly, the one with less overhead. Part of the dream of DirectX was a lite statement that could focus on gaming — that ultimately became Xbox. So look at an Xbox One (not Series!) and run Linux on similar hardware (no SSD!) and see if you can beat it. I think it can be done but I’m not sure.
You're right. Linux has always struggled to compete with hypothetical versions of Windows that aren't available. But you see, for testing purposes, we're forced to use the Windows version from this timeline.
I know there are gaming-centric distros but I wonder, if someone built a Linux that was essentially a console equivalent, useless for anything else, how it would fare.
There is no fundamental performance difference between these "gaming" distros and any other ones. Some minor kernel tweak maybe net a few percentage points here and there, but the gaming stack is still the same across the board, and very little can be done to squeeze more performance there without each just getting performance improvements.
Even still, you'd just install those same versions on any other distro and get those performance benefits.
It would be just fine. You can look at SteamOS on the Deck for exactly that (and I would assume the upcoming Desktop version will be similar). Bazzite in handheld mode is similar.
Much of the extra overhead comes from the desktop shell and window manager, so anything that swaps out stuff like Plasma or Gnome for something lighter is already on better footing.
Yeah, I kinda wish the Xbox One didn't exist, too. I get what you're saying though, that stripped-down version of Windows isn't something you can get outside the console. Still, you not being able to use it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's still a fair thing to test against. Windows as a consumer grade OS isn't really meant for gaming. Xbox is Windows stripped down to what's needed for gaming. You can configure Linux to strip down for gaming, so why not compare apples to apples?
This is the funniest copium when the argument usually is "oh these games don't work on linux? That's because you should use windows cause it's actually what those games were meant to be played on!".
My commenter on the internet, consumer-facing Windows is bloat city and will not grant the freedom to cut down the garbage holding performance back like Linux Distros do. If you have Win10/11 Enterprise LTSC and run a few debloat scripts maybe, but that's not something an ordinary person can gain access to without piracy, and it's unlikely that the "stripped down Windows version for gaming" becomes a product without either restrictions or a price premium to the general public.
Overhead isn’t everything. Windows just handles swapping better than Linux. More efficient swapping can mean better performance even with more ram usage.
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savvywolf@pawb.social · 84 pts · 109d
Skimming the video, Windows 11 crashed on two games and everything else had parity or was slightly worse than Linux. Decent results.
vividspecter@aussie.zone · 52 pts · 109d
They don't mention it in the description but this is mainly about kernel fixes and some associated utilities which have improved VRAM management on AMD GPUs on Linux. It's not upstreamed yet AFAICT, but that's why they used CachyOS which includes the patches and utilities out of the box.
adarza@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 101d
lemme guess.. cachyos, a tweaked-for-gaming bleeding-edge disto, vs a default oob win11 configuration.
i put iot on something here for some testing and it did quite well with latest drivers.
oce@jlai.lu · 51 pts · 109d
For those curious about which distribution because Linux alone does not mean much, from the description:
Kazel@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 28 pts · 108d
fuck windows don't even need to watch that shit
juipeltje@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 108d
Yeah, at this point i won't even consider using it anymore. If it means i can't run a handful of games, so be it.
exocortex@discuss.tchncs.de · 0 pts · 108d
😂😂😂
Epzillon@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 108d
Can someone link the video? Im on phone and YouTube keeps breaking when trying to play it in the app.
Thank you!
UndergroundGoblin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 108d
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJEo6Kb6Rhg
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -26 pts · 109d
Ostensibly, the one with less overhead. Part of the dream of DirectX was a lite statement that could focus on gaming — that ultimately became Xbox. So look at an Xbox One (not Series!) and run Linux on similar hardware (no SSD!) and see if you can beat it. I think it can be done but I’m not sure.
yesman@lemmy.world · 107 pts · 109d
You're right. Linux has always struggled to compete with hypothetical versions of Windows that aren't available. But you see, for testing purposes, we're forced to use the Windows version from this timeline.
blackbrook@mander.xyz · 5 pts · 109d
I know there are gaming-centric distros but I wonder, if someone built a Linux that was essentially a console equivalent, useless for anything else, how it would fare.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 22 pts · 109d
That's just default Bazzite. There's not much included out the gate other than gaming dependencies.
just_another_person@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 109d
There is no fundamental performance difference between these "gaming" distros and any other ones. Some minor kernel tweak maybe net a few percentage points here and there, but the gaming stack is still the same across the board, and very little can be done to squeeze more performance there without each just getting performance improvements.
Even still, you'd just install those same versions on any other distro and get those performance benefits.
Telorand@reddthat.com · 11 pts · 109d
It would be just fine. You can look at SteamOS on the Deck for exactly that (and I would assume the upcoming Desktop version will be similar). Bazzite in handheld mode is similar.
Much of the extra overhead comes from the desktop shell and window manager, so anything that swaps out stuff like Plasma or Gnome for something lighter is already on better footing.
rodneylives@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 108d
Like the Steam Deck?
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 108d
Nintendo and PS are allegedly some variant of BSD, as is MacOs
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -7 pts · 108d
Yeah, I kinda wish the Xbox One didn't exist, too. I get what you're saying though, that stripped-down version of Windows isn't something you can get outside the console. Still, you not being able to use it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's still a fair thing to test against. Windows as a consumer grade OS isn't really meant for gaming. Xbox is Windows stripped down to what's needed for gaming. You can configure Linux to strip down for gaming, so why not compare apples to apples?
juipeltje@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 108d
This is the funniest copium when the argument usually is "oh these games don't work on linux? That's because you should use windows cause it's actually what those games were meant to be played on!".
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 108d
It sounds like you think I'm advocating for Windows? I assure you, I'm not.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 108d
My commenter on the internet, consumer-facing Windows is bloat city and will not grant the freedom to cut down the garbage holding performance back like Linux Distros do. If you have Win10/11 Enterprise LTSC and run a few debloat scripts maybe, but that's not something an ordinary person can gain access to without piracy, and it's unlikely that the "stripped down Windows version for gaming" becomes a product without either restrictions or a price premium to the general public.
mriormro@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 108d
Wtf are you even talking about dude?
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 108d
Overhead isn’t everything. Windows just handles swapping better than Linux. More efficient swapping can mean better performance even with more ram usage.
Dojan@pawb.social · 1 pts · 108d
Swap improvements are an ongoing thing being worked on. There are some pretty big boosts in the 7.0 kernel.