Developer re-enables 3D printer features that Bambu Lab disabled, firm promptly threatens legal action — OrcaSlicer-BambuLab project now shuttered
https://www.tomshardware.com/3d-printing/developer-re-enables-3d-printer-features-that-bambu-lab-disabled-firm-promptly-threatens-legal-action-orcaslicer-bambulab-project-now-shuttered
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Skyrmir@lemmy.world · 93 pts · 134d
"Relies on cloud access" should be a required warning label like the cancer warnings on cigarettes.
oyo@lemmy.zip · 48 pts · 134d
It doesn't "rely" on jack shit. It "arbitrarily requires cloud access."
Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 132d
You can easily disable cloud access though, unless I misunderstood the comment.
winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 134d
Bambu wants to be a walled garden, don't defend their bullshit
oyo@lemmy.zip · 21 pts · 133d
Try reading my comment again.
IceFoxX@lemmy.world · -30 pts · 134d
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca · 70 pts · 134d
For just this alone, Bambu Labs should be made insolvent.
Then we get to the story here, threatening a lawsuit for reverse engineering a piece of copyleft software.
Fuck Bambu Labs.
TootSweet@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 133d
Reverse engineering proprietary software isn't necessarily illegal. From the 9th circuit court decision in "Oracle v Accolade" (2021):
Disclaimers:
IceFoxX@lemmy.world · -40 pts · 134d
glimse@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 133d
What are you talking about lol
Localhorst86@feddit.org · 54 pts · 134d
Bambu Labs is openly hostile towards the 3D-printing community. I am surprised people let it come this far and didn't immediately shun this company the moment they first locked down their printers.
Soapbox@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 133d
I think they only got away with it because they managed to produce a product at a low price that out performs almost everything in print quality and speed. If they were at the same speed and quality as everyone else they would have flopped immediately with their lack of open source respect.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 133d
according to every cunt on YouTube who got paid to review one. Props to Bambu for understanding how to market bullshit to 3D printer customers.
As these 3D printer laws trickle in, you soon will have every print scanned on Bambu's server to prevent you from printing repro parts or copyright models.
Soapbox@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 133d
Thats fair. I have never used one of their printers. But I have seen prints from them and they are impressive considering the people showing them to me had just started printing and did nothing to dial in anything.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 132d
There were fast printers before Bambu with minimal setup. I have two delta printers that just work every day.
AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social · 2 pts · 131d
Speaking from over a dedcade of 3D printing experience, this is kind of a ridiculous point.
Bambu's printers are easier to set up out of the box than most other brands, tend to have less ongoing troubleshooting, has a more clean and easily accessible mobile app, and the print quality is also just better in some instances. Plus, their cost is incredible.
My first 3D printer was an easy to set up out of the box, no tinkering required, and it had horrible print quality, could only use one color at a time, and the bed adhesion was awful. I upgraded to a Creality printer, and it promptly permanently scratched the glass bed, and refused to ever level properly even with the addition of an auto-leveling module made by Creality themselves. (then made a squeaking noise I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to solve)
I got an A1 Mini, and while it has had its problems with various different troubleshooting steps I've had to do, most of the troubleshooting was either costless, covered under warranty, or cheap relative to the cost of replacement parts for a similar fix on other printers. The print quality is flawless, it's cheap, it can switch colors, it supports basically every material of filament easily with no tinkering, the nozzle is incredibly easy to switch, and the bed adhesion is way better.
That's not to say other brands don't have better offerings now, but I think it's kind of ridiculous to claim Bambu's printers are bad. They're cheap, reliable, easily accessible to newbies, and produce good quality prints at the same time.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 132d
They should be shunned for their latest model, which advertises two extruders, but the second extruder uses a Bowden tube. Why- so they can sell an upgraded model in 6 months. Bullshit like this is why people dumped Creality.
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 33 pts · 134d
After all week of seeing editorialized headlines I couldn't believe how [the stuff described in] the article kept getting worse. If I'm getting this right, they sent a C&D over literal open source (not just source available, GPL) repo being forked??!
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 7 pts · 134d
I like the X1C I have because it's good hardware but I hate where they are going. If they behaved like this back when I bought it I would have just gone to another company. Shame, the hardware is great.
fan0m@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 134d
Sucks. I immediately blocked mine from accessing the internet to stop any updates when they started being shady.
The printer was a great entryway into the hobby but definitely will be looking at other brands if I ever need to buy something new.
IceFoxX@lemmy.world · -44 pts · 134d
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 133d
You're not wrong, you're just an asshole, and in doing so you damage your rhetorical position.
IceFoxX@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 133d
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 133d
I don't take it as a representation of the community, but I do take it as a reason to not bother giving your statements full consideration.
Though it should be noted, when you speak on topics of a community you're a part of you are acting as a representative of that community whether you like it or not. People will see someone being an asshole in defense of OSS and then they may decide it's not worth bothering with if that's the sort of people involved in it. No different from how a handfull of poorly behaved tourists from the US and China both have done damage to their countries' reputations.
FiskFisk33@startrek.website · 12 pts · 134d
I hope people forked it
esc@piefed.social · 26 pts · 134d
I hope that it'll push at least some people away from bambulab.
FiskFisk33@startrek.website · 4 pts · 134d
This too, but for the machines already out there
esc@piefed.social · 7 pts · 134d
If people at least in the diy community would stop recommending them it would be a win in my eyes.
FiskFisk33@startrek.website · 2 pts · 134d
I couldn't agree more. We should never recommend anything that locked down to begin with.
IceFoxX@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 134d
IceFoxX@lemmy.world · -15 pts · 134d
FiskFisk33@startrek.website · 1 pts · 134d
like me?
You're insinuating I have a bambulab?
IceFoxX@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 134d
FiskFisk33@startrek.website · 4 pts · 133d
Ironic, I'm not the one making wrong assumptions here.
IceFoxX@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 133d
IceFoxX@lemmy.world · -13 pts · 134d
glimse@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 133d
The quality/price of Bambu always stopped me from getting a 3D printer. Meaning - it was the best product at the best price point but I couldn't justify the walled garden. The competitors at the time were more expensive and not as good.
But that was a few years ago. What's the scene like now? Is there a comparable product to Bambu's X1 carbon (or whatever the current model is)
[Edit] I am not opposed to assembly but one of the appealing things about Bambu is how simple the initial setup is. I really don't want to spend hours tweaking before my first print lol
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 133d
Snapmaker U1, uses multiple toolheads for multicolor or multimaterial printing without the massive waste generated from filament switching designs like BAMBU.
glimse@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 133d
Ooh that looks awesome! But I'm kinda in the same boat as before, this thing's 40% more expensive than the X2D :(
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 132d
Depends on application. In my lab, these printers quickly pay for themselves. Scientific plastic is ridiculously expensive.
glimse@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 132d
It'd be pure hobby use for me, nothing critical. I'm leaning toward the CC2 someone posted but I'll have to do some digging to make sure I'm not shooting myself in the foot. Fully open source is a huge selling point for me
esc@piefed.social · 2 pts · 133d
There are a lot of printers today that do better or similar, depending on what type of filament you are planning to print with, bambu really shine(d) (don't know about current generation) with pla especially with their own branded one. I'm currently enjoying small farm of elegoo centauri carbons, they have their own issues but print quality is similar or better to x1 or p1 when it comes to petg and nylon. For multi color there is snapmaker u1.
glimse@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 133d
Ooh now we're talkin, that centauri carbon 2 bundle is about the same as the Bambu X2D base model
What are the issues with it? I see that they fully embraced open source 2 years ago
esc@piefed.social · 0 pts · 133d
Dunno about cc2 (also I believe that it's at least 20%-30% cheaper then x2d without ams), but CC had a few software problems that they were very slow to fix. Nozzle change procedure isn't great, usb cable of the first few revisions were shitty. Current CC1 machines are good.
They aren't opensource, like at all, there is opencentauri project that only recently started to ship klipper for cc (first one).
Upd: apparently CC2 is fully open
cAUzapNEAGLb@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 134d
Wish i kmew of this before it was pulled, oh well
IceFoxX@lemmy.world · -23 pts · 134d
IceFoxX@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 134d
IceFoxX@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 134d
IceFoxX@lemmy.world · -32 pts · 134d
ByteJunk@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 134d
Are you 8 years old?
IceFoxX@lemmy.world · -15 pts · 134d
ByteJunk@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 133d
I mean you're really hard to understand. I can't figure out if you're a kid, mentally handicapped, a poor English speaker, or a cat on a touchscreen.