That's delusional. They're a nation with ten million people, one of the largest arms and tech industries on the planet, and an arsenal of hydrogen bombs.
...they would be under sanctions more severe than cuba or russia if the US didn't veto anything that remotely held them accountable that made it's way through the UN
Because Israel isn't that big of a country. The countries around them are held back in part because the support of the US and EU is just that big of a stick. Economic sanctions alone can be very rough and actual military support is insane. Not so great at making any good lasting changes but toppling the Iraqi government was very fast. US coalition invaded March 20, Baghdad fell in April 9, a new government was in place by September 3, and Saddam captured December 13. Obviously things are different nowadays with drones and population willingness to deal with the maimed/dead and domestic price increases.
Now if there's Chinese or Russian support then things may change. Russia is still tied up with Ukraine and China is relatively neutral because they don't have that much skin in that area yet.
The US also supports every country around Israel with some form of aid. Meaning you aren’t just getting economic sanctions but major funding pulled.
$245 million to Egypt, $496 million to Lebanon, $1.82 Billion to Jordan. You get the picture.
China is fairly pro-palestine from what I have read, which is weird since I would guess the more legitimate Israel’s claims on Palestine would make their claim over Taiwan more legitimate.
I completely understand and agree with sentiment of holding the sign. But I'm a bit conflicted about this since I don't feel like this is the moment to do it.
For context once a year we have a day for Remembrance of the Dead. This particular moment is 1 minute of silence at 20:00 that the entire country holds for this.
In the ceremony that proceeds they usually also mention the people that lost their lives in different wars across the globe which probably includes Gaza, Ukraine, Sudan and more.
So yes I think our government should do more against Israel, but I'm conflicted about this time and place.
Holding a performative vigil for victims of a previous genocide while being complicit in a new one... That is turning the Holocaust into a hollow cause.
But I'm a bit conflicted about this since I don't feel like this is the moment to do it.
It's the exact perfect moment to do it.
You don't get to compartmentalise your carrying out/being complicit in any degree with atrocities then get to police others for reinforcing the point just because it sticks your hypocrisy right in your face
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DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world · 79 pts · 122d
Never again except when the US or affiliates wants to do it.
mausoleum@lemmy.world · -42 pts · 122d
Pff
Yeah blame America for this danish guy being arrested in his own country for protesting Israel
Edit:
Apparently it's a Dutch guy, but I stand by what I said and I'm not sorry for saying it. Downvote me all you want, it's validating.
orc_princess@lemmy.ml · 46 pts · 122d
If the US stops funding Israel they'll collapse within weeks
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 122d
That's delusional. They're a nation with ten million people, one of the largest arms and tech industries on the planet, and an arsenal of hydrogen bombs.
Israel isn't going anywhere.
mausoleum@lemmy.world · -17 pts · 122d
You've got my attention. Why do you think that?
Edit:
Predictable, but unfortunate. I guess this is just reddit for people with slightly more nuanced performative outrage
IronBird@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 122d
...they would be under sanctions more severe than cuba or russia if the US didn't veto anything that remotely held them accountable that made it's way through the UN
phdepressed@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 122d
Because Israel isn't that big of a country. The countries around them are held back in part because the support of the US and EU is just that big of a stick. Economic sanctions alone can be very rough and actual military support is insane. Not so great at making any good lasting changes but toppling the Iraqi government was very fast. US coalition invaded March 20, Baghdad fell in April 9, a new government was in place by September 3, and Saddam captured December 13. Obviously things are different nowadays with drones and population willingness to deal with the maimed/dead and domestic price increases.
Now if there's Chinese or Russian support then things may change. Russia is still tied up with Ukraine and China is relatively neutral because they don't have that much skin in that area yet.
yeather@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 122d
The US also supports every country around Israel with some form of aid. Meaning you aren’t just getting economic sanctions but major funding pulled.
$245 million to Egypt, $496 million to Lebanon, $1.82 Billion to Jordan. You get the picture.
China is fairly pro-palestine from what I have read, which is weird since I would guess the more legitimate Israel’s claims on Palestine would make their claim over Taiwan more legitimate.
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 122d
No, they blame us for giving Israel carte blanche. Hope that helps.
mausoleum@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 122d
But they're the ones arresting a dude for holding a sign
Hope that helps reframe the terms of my comment, ambassador
Athena5898@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 122d
Bro I don't know what to tell you. I don't know how you can watch all these countries suck America boot and not understand where the problem is.
mausoleum@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 122d
I think the problem is that they're sucking the boot
murmelade@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 122d
😂😂
mausoleum@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 122d
Touche, I wasnt really paying attention
EntheoNaut@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 122d
As an American, fuck the US entirely. We are vassal of the fascist State of Israel and the entire world should be protesting us.
Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 122d
The silence is deafening.
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 122d
Is their phrase something like moment of respect or something like that.
He was pretty silent…
Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 122d
Good on everyone involved for maintaining their silence throughout. Like genuinely that shows respect from all parties involved.
troubling087@lemmy.zip · -16 pts · 122d
I completely understand and agree with sentiment of holding the sign. But I'm a bit conflicted about this since I don't feel like this is the moment to do it.
For context once a year we have a day for Remembrance of the Dead. This particular moment is 1 minute of silence at 20:00 that the entire country holds for this.
In the ceremony that proceeds they usually also mention the people that lost their lives in different wars across the globe which probably includes Gaza, Ukraine, Sudan and more.
So yes I think our government should do more against Israel, but I'm conflicted about this time and place.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 122d
Holding a performative vigil for victims of a previous genocide while being complicit in a new one... That is turning the Holocaust into a hollow cause.
SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 122d
Plus Eichmann himself would be in that vigil if alive today. Puzzling, right?
FellowHuman@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 122d
What law validates his arrest? Did just say he was somehow obstructing the gathering? Or something like "you can't bother people"?
troubling087@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 122d
Article 430. He wasn't even arrested he was just asked to move to the designated area for protesting, after the minute of silence ended.
0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 122d
Man, this is something I'd expect from tankies defending CCP.
Can't even hold a sign in protest anymore?
When the fascists come, I hope you remember to follow the law to move to a "designated" area for whatever excuse they've made up to round people up.
I know I'm exaggerating, but this is how they silence their criticism and call themselves "civilized.*
Tangentism@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 122d
It's the exact perfect moment to do it.
You don't get to compartmentalise your carrying out/being complicit in any degree with atrocities then get to police others for reinforcing the point just because it sticks your hypocrisy right in your face
Tramort@programming.dev · 5 pts · 122d
Are you retarded? When would be better than when you are reflecting on the abhorrent nature of genocide?