People ignore the global impact the dissolution had. Socialist parties everywhere either rebranded to a neoliberalized form of social democracy or lost their traction. Entire labor movements collapsed and capitalist governments backpedaled on lots of welfare reforms that the working classes fought for with their blood, because there was no more a socialist global power to compete with.
I've thought about this before. If Germany went communist then it's almost certain that the rest of Europe would too. There wouldn't have been a second world war, and the US would've remained an isolationist power. In fact, the US itself had a strong labour movement back in the 1930s, and it would've been significantly boosted by Europe being communist.
Yep, it would have destroyed or severely weakened imperialism, giving socialist countries far more room to breathe and carry that momentum forward. Germany was also ripe for socialism as it was heavily industrialized and state run, just with bourgeois control.
Last I checked Yugoslavia was firmly socialist. And that was the primary reason NATO invaded it, something they would've never dared to do when USSR was around. If you don't understand this basic fact, don't know what else to tell you.
I'm well aware of the Tito-Stalin split and the unaligned. You do realize that neither Yugoslavia or USSR in the 80s remotely resembled what they were link in the 50s right?
The primary reason NATO invaded was to destroy a socialist state, and if you genuinely believe that NATO invaded to stop ethnic cleansing then you need to get your head checked.
Meanwhile, the fact that you don't understand that NATO would've never dared to invade Yugoslavia while USSR was around clearly demonstrates that you have no clue regarding the subject you're attempting to debate here and your woefully uninformed opinions can be safely ignored.
Having a Yugoslavian passport clearly does not stand in your way of being an ignoramus. But sure enjoy spewing nonsense confidently like the living embodiment of Dunning-Kruger effect that you are.
No, the petrodollar scheme years caused the entire Eastern bloc to suffer,
otherwise the USSR would have been able to keep the economies of Eastern Europe afloat and later thriving.
The USSR had and has the fossil fuels to do it (and is recovering right now).
Yugoslavia did and does not.
Minorities oppression, and colonialism was a thing in USSR; some tsarists institutions were kept, and the nationalism of Stalin did not help. Sure it do not lead to war, but this this is not the point you wish to make.
Though, they is some devastation due to the post-USSR liberalization that is largely underestimate
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Tatar_Nobility@lemmy.ml · 19 pts · 84d
People ignore the global impact the dissolution had. Socialist parties everywhere either rebranded to a neoliberalized form of social democracy or lost their traction. Entire labor movements collapsed and capitalist governments backpedaled on lots of welfare reforms that the working classes fought for with their blood, because there was no more a socialist global power to compete with.
yogthos@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 84d
Parenti wrote a great article on the subject https://www.marxists.org/archive/parenti/2002/global-rollback.pdf
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 84d
If only the German revolution had succeeded shortly after the Russian. We'd likely live in a very different world.
yogthos@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 84d
I've thought about this before. If Germany went communist then it's almost certain that the rest of Europe would too. There wouldn't have been a second world war, and the US would've remained an isolationist power. In fact, the US itself had a strong labour movement back in the 1930s, and it would've been significantly boosted by Europe being communist.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 84d
Yep, it would have destroyed or severely weakened imperialism, giving socialist countries far more room to breathe and carry that momentum forward. Germany was also ripe for socialism as it was heavily industrialized and state run, just with bourgeois control.
yogthos@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 84d
Instead, socdems gave us fascism and the world we have today.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 84d
Truly the left wing of fascism.
bobo@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 84d
yogthos@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 84d
If USSR didn't fall neither would Yugoslavia though.
bobo@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 84d
yogthos@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 84d
Last I checked Yugoslavia was firmly socialist. And that was the primary reason NATO invaded it, something they would've never dared to do when USSR was around. If you don't understand this basic fact, don't know what else to tell you.
Sualtam@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 83d
Wasn't firmly socialist, but a socialist market economy.
yogthos@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 83d
Markets are in no way at odds with socialism.
Sualtam@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 83d
If you asked the Soviets, they are.
yogthos@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 83d
oh do tell
bobo@lemmy.ml · -2 pts · 84d
yogthos@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 84d
I'm well aware of the Tito-Stalin split and the unaligned. You do realize that neither Yugoslavia or USSR in the 80s remotely resembled what they were link in the 50s right?
The primary reason NATO invaded was to destroy a socialist state, and if you genuinely believe that NATO invaded to stop ethnic cleansing then you need to get your head checked.
Meanwhile, the fact that you don't understand that NATO would've never dared to invade Yugoslavia while USSR was around clearly demonstrates that you have no clue regarding the subject you're attempting to debate here and your woefully uninformed opinions can be safely ignored.
Bye.
bobo@lemmy.ml · -4 pts · 84d
yogthos@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 84d
Having a Yugoslavian passport clearly does not stand in your way of being an ignoramus. But sure enjoy spewing nonsense confidently like the living embodiment of Dunning-Kruger effect that you are.
bobo@lemmy.ml · -2 pts · 84d
folaht@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 84d
It's a direct cause of the former.
bobo@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 84d
folaht@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 84d
No, the petrodollar scheme years caused the entire Eastern bloc to suffer,
otherwise the USSR would have been able to keep the economies of Eastern Europe afloat and later thriving.
The USSR had and has the fossil fuels to do it (and is recovering right now).
Yugoslavia did and does not.
menas@lemmy.wtf · -6 pts · 83d
Minorities oppression, and colonialism was a thing in USSR; some tsarists institutions were kept, and the nationalism of Stalin did not help. Sure it do not lead to war, but this this is not the point you wish to make.
Though, they is some devastation due to the post-USSR liberalization that is largely underestimate