China dominates the electric vehicle industry, with its brands responsible for about two-thirds of global sales in 2024, although none of those sales were in the U.S.
China loves electric cars: making them, driving them and selling them to the rest of the world.
Electric vehicles have been widely adopted in China, thanks in part to years of now-defunct government subsidies and a fast-growing network of charging stations. According to the International Energy Agency, almost half of the cars sold in China in 2024 were electric, compared with about 1 in 10 in the U.S.
But despite growing global interest in the innovative sector, Chinese electric cars remain out of reach for consumers in the world’s second-largest auto market, the United States.
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circuitfarmer@lemmy.world · 75 pts · 94d
dellish@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 94d
I'm so confused. I thought the foundation of Capitalism was free market pressure. Doesn't restricting what people can buy and where from kind of undermine the entire ideal?
DiscoDickJones@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 94d
Yes. Absolutely.
innermachine@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 93d
Well I see where your confusion comes from. You thought the USA was capitalist, but the reality is that America is VERY socialist. You can have it all in the USA, as long as your in the in group. And by in group I mean you must have 2+ million dollars, once u are elite rich you unlock the socialism in USA and get government contracts, restrictions that put you above the competition, bail outs and safety nets out the wazoo if you mess up, the best health care in the world etc. You must be more like me, part of the serf class that gets the "pleasure" of making all this possible with poor wages and taxes that find the corporate machine.
circuitfarmer@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 93d
bstix@feddit.dk · 3 pts · 93d
Yes, but the counterpoint claim is that Chinese products are not competitive on a free market. The TEMU shit is a good example of this claim being true. Whether or not the Chinese government is paying for infiltrating the Western markets by dumping prices is one thing, but their lacking safety quality control and slave like working conditions are indisputably true. We should not accept products from China that do not produced under the same standards as our own.
Soggy@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 93d
Boy it's a good thing American companies haven't all moved their manufacturing overseas to take advantage of those exact conditions, pocketing the profit while enjoying protectionist laws like the one discussed here. That would make us look really silly.
dellish@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 93d
I see... So the American companies like Apple, Nike, all major clothing brands etc that make use of the very same somehow aren't able to bring their prices down? I fail to believe "quality control" is enough to justify it.
bstix@feddit.dk · 1 pts · 93d
Both Apple and Nike are made in China.
I'm just explaining why domestic production of junk in EU and USA is usually more expensive than similar functioning junk from China.
vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 93d
The foundation of capitalism is Profit is King.
The free market, aka competition, is the least profitable method of production for a company. It's terrible for your bottom line. Profit is the only thing that matters, and specifically Profit by the Metric evaluated by those with the purse-strings; i.e. in the US this is profit per quarter.
'Free Market' economics is not only not limited to capitalism, capitalism is inherently antithetical to competition and the free market and will always seek to eliminate it entirely.
minorkeys@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 93d
It ain't weird if you've been paying any attention to how nation states compete, over the years.
Tiral@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 94d
I think you're confusing the president with the actual people in the country.
ruuster13@lemmy.zip · 67 pts · 94d
We will get Chinese electric cars in the USA when Xi pays Trump more to bring them here than Elon pays him to keep them out. He already laid the groundwork by systematically kneecapping domestic electric programs via his signature racketeering style, knowing he would make more money in the long run fire selling our car market to China than he could ever steal from the domestic market.
Ever been to a Goodwill Bins store? The Art of the Deal was forged in the fetid pressure of the piss-soaked remains at the bottom.
CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 93d
The issue is that US car mfr execs will get less bonuses if they choose to compete with BYD. Its easier to tariff Americans than give a few CEOs a salary cut.
AA5B@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 92d
Mary Barra gets all kinds of shit and pressure to resign for saying she believes EVs are the future, despite cutting way back on GMs attempt to build them
CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 91d
Yeah sounds about right
stumu415@lemmy.zip · 19 pts · 92d
America: capitalism good, competition bad.
minorkeys@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 93d
Can I get an electric vehicle without giving up my privacy or autonomy?
ImitationLimitation@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 92d
Possibly soon-ish. The Slate Truck has nothing in it to track you. … it doesn’t have much in it at all. Which makes me love it more. https://www.slate.auto/en
rdrunner@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 92d
I really hope the slate works. A no nonsense EV (or really any car) is so appealing. I just worry that it's cost will end up pushing people away. They were really banking on the EV tax credits to bring the "price" down
ImitationLimitation@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 91d
Yeah, me too. I like to think there is enough interest in the simplicity of it all. It seems the people sick of all the tech infused everything is growing.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 92d
Not in the United States, no
minorkeys@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 92d
Pretty important reason to not switch to electric if you ask me.
ImitationLimitation@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 92d
You cannot currently get a new modern car without tracking, ICE or BEV. It’s bonkers.
Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 92d
Older cars are dying out little by little in both streets and junk yards. Spare parts for them won't be manufactured forever either. This is a problem that has to be legislated away or barring that, have a big enough hacking industry to work around these things.
minorkeys@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 92d
Here's hoping for hobbyist industries to offer alternative electrics. We don't need a bunch of complex systems to tell electric motors to go or stop.
Seldon@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 92d
I'd like to say just snap any antennae in the vehicle. Or, Faraday cage it. Or if you're really creative custom car OS. TempleOS comes to mind.
minorkeys@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 92d
Likely to render the vehicle inoperable until fixed. Electric vehicles seem particularly vulnerable to service denial for any reason a company or government might decide.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 94d
You mean except in gilliad?
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 94d
I'd be as concerned about BYD reliability as I would be with Tesla. And, Tesla isn't great.
With consumer product competition being a race to the bottom for nearly every product now, I think my concerns are valid.
patruelis@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 94d
Al my friends and I have BYDs. 100k km each of us and 0 issues. Heck in fact there are a few ones out there with almost 1million km and still going.
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 93d
I can find fault in any product made so when someone says “0 issues” it really discredits them in my opinion.
vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 93d
The most common issue for BYDs specifically is tires that need to be replaced more often than non-EV drivers expect and optional safety features usually missing from the lower end models.
Most EVs are dead simple compared to ICE cars; when you have literally 100x fewer parts there is a lot less to go wrong. This is especially true when you're not trying to introduce FSD or other superfluous features because you want to be a 1980s cyberpunk villain industrialist.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 93d
I need to see this verified. I call bullshit.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 92d
tesla has well known issues for at least a decade+ already, musk was able to suppress the reports for a while.
lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 94d
Why?
Gonzako@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 94d
I just came from test driving the BYD seal and I understand what they mean. Quality wise its simply the best EV maker
napkin2020@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 93d
I can agree that they're pretty amazing for what they worth but...
They're not the best even among the Chinese EV makers.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 93d
You cannot determine quality from a test drive.
I consider quality long term reliability and there is zero data on this for most EVs.
Gonzako@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 93d
Oh, yeah durability you can't grasp with a simple test drive
etherphon@piefed.world · 9 pts · 94d
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 33 pts · 94d
Everything I've read about the factory in Hungary was true of countless companies in the US. There are people here who work 7 days a week too.
The reason it's an issue in Hungary is because the EU has stronger labor protections than we do. If this were happening in the US, I'm convinced it would be completely ignored.
etherphon@piefed.world · 16 pts · 94d
neo2478@sh.itjust.works · 22 pts · 94d
I don't know why people keep down voting this.
They've found subhuman slave like labour conditions both in the factories in Hungary and Brazil.
Their tech is great, but no one should support any companies that violate human rights. PERIOD!
etherphon@piefed.world · 18 pts · 94d
Maeve@kbin.earth · 4 pts · 93d
IKEA and Nestlé have abhorrent US business practices. It's a disgusting display of orientalism, and these practices are illegal in China.
neo2478@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 93d
Nestle is one of the worst companies in the world. They are responsible for the death of tens of thousands of children in Africa, droughts and a lot more shit.
I hadn't heard anythink about Ikea. Mind sharing? I though they were pretty good, being a non profit and investing in climate change.
Maeve@kbin.earth · 1 pts · 92d
I can't remember everything exactly, and memory holes are sadly real, mostly due to things like https://www.reputationsciences.com/reputation-management-definition-important/
But labor abuses follow this company.
https://www.ufcw.org/press-releases/ikea-usa-charged-with-violating-federal-labor-law/
I can't vouch for the veracity of other accusations, but they are there:
https://www.scu.edu/ethics/focus-areas/business-ethics/resources/ikea-case-one-companys-fight-to-end-child-labor/
Paddzr@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 94d
Who owns the hungarian one? I haven't heard about it.
neo2478@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 94d
BYD
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/byd-hungary-china-labour-watch-9.7154249
Paddzr@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 94d
Huh, completely flew under my radar and i follow EVs closely...
DiscoDickJones@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 94d
Don't get all high and mighty. Companies making cars in the USA have been busted numerous times having children as young as 12 working in the factories.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 92d
And don't ask what an Artisanal Miner is or why we've been importing so much of our rare earth material from a disputed territory between Congo and Rwanda.
etherphon@piefed.world · -3 pts · 94d
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 93d
That’s just how threads go on forums like this. People see your original comment, but replies you make to other comments may get buried. If you want everyone to see your other comment, make it an edit to your original.
etherphon@piefed.world · -1 pts · 93d
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 93d
Ok, well you seemed confused and upset, so I was just trying to help. Hope you feel better today.
Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 94d
Like the US factories that have mandatory overtime and if you don't meet the requirement you get fired? 6-7 days a week and 10 hours a day.
FenrirIII@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 94d
Source?
Edit: Just for clarification, "trust me" is not a source.
Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 94d
The factory I'm sitting next to.
Maeve@kbin.earth · 2 pts · 93d
I have worked in US factories. I got a write up for missing three whole days of mandatory seven day, ten hour weeks, with a doctor's note. I was fortunate enough at the time that I found a job elsewhere on five day weeks that paid more on that same day because I walked out the door without a meeting, let alone signing anything.
hanrahan@slrpnk.net · 9 pts · 93d
just modeling their behaviours on the likes of Nike, Apple etal.
when ipads were being assembled in India and workers were throwing themselves off the roof of the factory from stress, the soltion was ...to install nets
WildPalmTree@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 93d
That was Foxcon. China.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 92d
That was the Taiwanese company Foxcon, which operated in Hong Kong under a separate set of labor laws than the mainland.
Tiral@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 94d
Yeah, that's what's funny. They're insanely substudized and built by people making $300/mo. They also catch fire from thermal runaway at a massively higher rate.
Paddzr@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 94d
I've test driven 4 different chinese brands for shits and giggles... they drive horribly! They lack the most basic features like single pedal driving, the thing EVs are known for?
vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 93d
Got any source on that? The EV lines are nearly 100% automated.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 92d
Something something Xinjiang.
Something something under Communism, no freedom
Something something I trust the Freedom Institute For Liberty And Democracy a bit more than your Wumao ass, you CCP shill.
redsand@infosec.pub · 8 pts · 93d
Just a friendly reminder BYD defiantly put an Elon style god mode and wireless networking into these heaps.
Here's hoping the backdoor is exposed in a way that is funny like bitlocker and not tragic like the CCP ripping off the CIA
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 92d
I’m not familiar with the Elon style god mode, what’s that all about?
redsand@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 92d
Root. There's some kind of login or key he has that lets the user do anything and has some extra functions
green_goglin@thelemmy.club · 5 pts · 94d
They’re in the US just private labeled and “assembled in US”.
CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 93d
And 100% tariffed....
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 92d
The only BYD I've ever seen stateside was driven into the county by a Mexican family on vacation
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 92d
Funny how American mega corps force their way into developing nations using political bullying and destroy these nations smaller businesses with uncompetitive practices but they don't want to risk competing with any foreign company on their own turf
MrShankles@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 92d
To no one's surprise...
myrrh@ttrpg.network · 3 pts · 92d
PhAzE@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 92d
Bring the BYD yang yangwang u7 to canada please...
RockBottom@feddit.org · 3 pts · 94d
So happy for comrades fighting globalization.
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 93d
Remember when Gorbachev visited a supermarket and “it led to the downfall of the USSR.”
We can only hope that Trump will visit a Chinese EV lot and realize the superiority of the Chinese-Communist economy and way of life.
hume_lemmy@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 93d
I'm pretty sure he was utterly incapable of such realizations even before his current steep cognitive decline.
TemplaerDude@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 93d
Trump is only interested in Trump. Trump goes to countries to cut deals for himself. Trump is only interested in making money for himself. Trump literally said he doesn’t think about Americans at all. He said finances but we all know what he meant. He doesn’t care about Americans. He only cares about himself.
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 93d
Should I have made it more clear I was doing satire?
Maeve@kbin.earth · 2 pts · 93d
When porky flies...
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 93d
Dunno about you, I wouldn't own a Chinese car until they start building them as reliable as a Honda or Toyota.
tacoplease@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 92d
Here's the rub, EV engines have far fewer moving parts and are extremely reliable.
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 92d
My work just got a fleet of electric iveco vans and they are shit. Constantly breaking down, having battery issues, fatal error messages all the time. Seems like maybe it's more software issues than hardware, and they're lovely when they're actually working.
tacoplease@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 92d
Italian motors aren't known for reliability as it is.
AA5B@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 92d
I generally shop for reliability and longevity also but
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 94d
biden needed to protect the nazi elon's business interests. We had to have tariffs.