100% agree, but I think it's worth mentioning that 2G is very insecure (you can sniff and spoof with a grand or two of hardware), so incentivizing people to get off of it is not that bad imo
This will force many of those to upgrade their current technology (which also helps Roger/Fido because they offer the upgrading services) or pay the fee.
Yes. That's the point of this fee, to nudge people to upgrade those decades old systems that are forcing the carriers to maintain old (and much less spectrum efficient) equipment (with no parts support from the manufacturer any more).
They had to do similar to push the same stragglers off the old 1G (analog/TDMA) network 15 years ago.
They borrow Rogers lines and towers. I called to see if they can give me a better deal then Rogers, they can if I want slower internet speeds, and less data on my phone. I think the only thing they would allow me to do, is call my brother on the border without getting charged.
What I would like to do is get a hold of the 2g gear and make town-local wireless for rural towns. It would be dog slow, but you could keep people reasonable connected for pretty cheap.
And you still need software support from the manufacturer to actually make that hardware function, and they don't support old hardware forever (another reason the carriers are shutting down the old network)
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Sunshine@piefed.ca · 26 pts · 77d
Big telecom/banks love their countless gotcha fees.
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 75d
100% agree, but I think it's worth mentioning that 2G is very insecure (you can sniff and spoof with a grand or two of hardware), so incentivizing people to get off of it is not that bad imo
nbailey@lemmy.ca · 21 pts · 77d
Aren’t loads of embedded devices still using the old school edge network? Like car remote systems, electric meters, weather stations, etc?
LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 77d
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Rat_in_a_hat@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 76d
This will force many of those to upgrade their current technology (which also helps Roger/Fido because they offer the upgrading services) or pay the fee.
nik282000@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 75d
Creating tons of needless ewaste and forcing users to re-buy otherwise working devices.
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 76d
Yes. That's the point of this fee, to nudge people to upgrade those decades old systems that are forcing the carriers to maintain old (and much less spectrum efficient) equipment (with no parts support from the manufacturer any more).
They had to do similar to push the same stragglers off the old 1G (analog/TDMA) network 15 years ago.
Calfpupa@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 76d
They have enough money to support those systems, they just want to push everyone to new, more expensive systems.
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 75d
Even if they can't get spare parts or repaired modules or software updates from the manufacturer any more?
Calfpupa@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 75d
Yeah the corp with 75Billion profit last year doesn't have enough to fabricate parts or hire programmers, lol
CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 77d
I'm surprised they still offer 2g at all .
Wataba@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 75d
They've shut down 3G in Australia, so I'm even more baffled by this still being a thing.
roserose56@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 77d
Classic Rogers, wait till you learn roaming charges.
CanadianCarl@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 76d
PSA: Almost every company does that.
roserose56@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 76d
Yes, but it has he highes charges of all.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 77d
How are these chucklefucks still with clients at this point? I've been on freedom for well over a decade. Which means I've saved thousands of dollars.
CanadianCarl@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 76d
They borrow Rogers lines and towers. I called to see if they can give me a better deal then Rogers, they can if I want slower internet speeds, and less data on my phone. I think the only thing they would allow me to do, is call my brother on the border without getting charged.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 76d
Who cares its plenty fast. Pages load instantly. Most people have no idea how many GB or how much throughout they need.
I'm mostly on WiFi so whatever.
CanadianCarl@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 76d
I use mobile/home internet. I was talking about home internet speeds. I know how much internet download and upload I need.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 76d
Ah, I still gave a regular internet connection at home
CanadianCarl@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 76d
Huh? Also, Freedom is a reseller, Rogers would get the money anyways in my area if I switched.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 76d
Freedom does also have their own network...
CanadianCarl@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 75d
Call them yourself, ask if they use their own line infrastructure, or do if they use another company's lines.
Reannlegge@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 76d
Good, there is only so much radio spectrum to go around might as well push people off of 2G and open it up.
tempest@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 77d
I know a lot of posts in the thread are criticising Rogers for being greedy, and don't mistake me, they are, but this is common in enterprise space.
This fee is ment to spur the last hold outs onto the new network or pay for what is essentially long term support.
happy_wheels@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 77d
Because of course they would.
non_burglar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 77d
What I would like to do is get a hold of the 2g gear and make town-local wireless for rural towns. It would be dog slow, but you could keep people reasonable connected for pretty cheap.
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 76d
Even if you got the hardware for free, the operating costs are far more than you might expect.
non_burglar@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 76d
I'm sure they are. I understand the power requirements alone for 2g vs 5g tx/Rx are eons apart.
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 75d
Power is one factor.
Spectrum licensing is also not cheap.
And you still need software support from the manufacturer to actually make that hardware function, and they don't support old hardware forever (another reason the carriers are shutting down the old network)