For anyone wondering these are, legally speaking, ebikes. As in they squeezed a delivery truck into the legal definition for a bike to be able to use bike lanes.
Edit: So does that mean they can legally park in all the bike lanes? Is the bike lane even usable by bicycles any more, or has it just turned into Amazon's exclusive shipping lane?
In Europe these 'cargo bikes' are being accepted quite well. I don't mind them. They're slow, low carbon footprint, child safe... So why not? They do take up a lot of space but that's because the cycle path is too narrow. More cyclepaths so cargo can be delivered by bike. That's what we need.
So this asshole is dickish with his reply, but I call them a fucko and I'm the asshole, alright. ANYWAY.
I wasn't saying shit about having more bikes. How is this not obviously a huge win for amazon, tiny cars or not. You think this was the intent behind the bike lane laws? Abso-fuckin-lutely not.
You're OK? Mind you that I'm from the EU and a daily bike commuter. I ride 25 km to work, every single day, and am very sensitive to the bike/car discourse.
I really don't see the issue so please explain without getting rude.
The bike lane is usable. I mean, for about a half-a-block at a time, cause of the parked cars.
I wish NYC would allow citizens to take a video of a car parked in the bike lane for more than a minute, issue a ticket, and make it profitable for the ticket issuer. All of the problems would go away overnight.
And actually, I wish we could take videos of cars going through red lights. Or, LOL, illegal u-turns. "Go around the block" is not a thing anymore. Everyone just turns around wherever the fuck they are.
If it's like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=483oaUU1tIs then the entire vehicle is built to the exact limits of e-bike laws. For example you can theoretically propel that thing by pedalling even if it is never intended that the 'rider' would do so.
just wondering if a big chunk of NY delivery/cargo vehicles were electric cargo bikes like that, would it be an improvement? (given that will force turning car lanes into bike lanes).
Not abusing a sentience in another country so you can have your funco pops at home is also not nothing.
I'd like amazon logistics to be broken up and owned by the communities it inhabitants. But I'd also like that to happen to GM and Ford too. If you catch my drift.
but logistics wise, small electric vehicles, small enough to be considered ebikes is preferable to current car/van/truck fleets. as they have a greater human cost as well.
What about the batteries in the phone you are using? Or the gasoline that's manufactured using cobalt-based catalysts? Do you care about the children in mines that extracted those?
do you not know how big companies work? pressure to work as fast as possible and not care about the world around you ("externalize costs") comes from every level of the business.
board demands results
c suite creates the strategy and demands upper management fulfill it
upper management sets targets and uses funding allocation to pressure middle & lower management
middle & lower management pressure workers to hit/exceed targets, often by making them compete with each other
Amazon in particular uses "subcontractor" drivers who are paid less, have few/no benefits or protections, and who compete with each other on speed and other metrics. it's yet another reason to stop caring about the world around you.
If they’re moving along the bike lanes the way cyclists use them I don’t have big beef here.
If they’re then PARKING in the bike lanes to go make their deliveries, we have a problem. One that can be solved pretty easily considering these aren’t cars and are very light. Very easy to tip. Especially when they’re just sitting there abandoned in a flat bike lane.
Yeah, I just hope NYC is taxing the fuck out of those quadra-cycle-boxes. I know we aren't, but come on- Amazon trucks routinely park all day near my apt, blocking the bike lane and half of the road. Tax them, tax them, tax them.
ebikes are vehicles in the same way that motorcycles are as in they are not exclusively human powered. They belong in the normal lanes with the other non human powered vehicles. It's dangerous to riders in the bike lane legally when ebikes and other vehicles are whipping around because they want to skip the line. According to NYC law you are only allowed 750 watts max and 15mph limit to use the bike lane. They really need to revisit that because these are not safe to others in the lane.
42 Comments
Slatlun@lemmy.ml · 117 pts · 80d
For anyone wondering these are, legally speaking, ebikes. As in they squeezed a delivery truck into the legal definition for a bike to be able to use bike lanes.
nialv7@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 80d
Well then we need to change the definition of ebikes. Either that or we only allow private personal vehicles to use the bike lane.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 79d
maybe better to consider them bikes encourage their use and replace more car lanes with bike lanes.
They are still better than cars.
groet@feddit.org · 10 pts · 79d
That would mean a bike courier / delivery driver on an actually real bike would not be allowed anymore
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 79d
There should be a common sense rule to laws. Like, sometimes you look at sobering and it’s obviously not right
Fontasia@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 79d
In the Netherlands, delivery vehicles use bike lanes all the time, however, these are made by local manufacturers that aren't as big as this
For Example
FUCKING_CUNO@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 79d
Wtf for real?! Thats fucking wild
Edit: So does that mean they can legally park in all the bike lanes? Is the bike lane even usable by bicycles any more, or has it just turned into Amazon's exclusive shipping lane?
Schlemmy@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 79d
Can bikes park in bike lanes?
FUCKING_CUNO@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -9 pts · 79d
Beats the fuck outta me, but I wouldn't have thought those delivery vehicles would have been "bikes" either, fucko
Schlemmy@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 79d
In Europe these 'cargo bikes' are being accepted quite well. I don't mind them. They're slow, low carbon footprint, child safe... So why not? They do take up a lot of space but that's because the cycle path is too narrow. More cyclepaths so cargo can be delivered by bike. That's what we need.
FUCKING_CUNO@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -3 pts · 79d
So this asshole is dickish with his reply, but I call them a fucko and I'm the asshole, alright. ANYWAY. I wasn't saying shit about having more bikes. How is this not obviously a huge win for amazon, tiny cars or not. You think this was the intent behind the bike lane laws? Abso-fuckin-lutely not.
Schlemmy@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 77d
You're OK? Mind you that I'm from the EU and a daily bike commuter. I ride 25 km to work, every single day, and am very sensitive to the bike/car discourse. I really don't see the issue so please explain without getting rude.
blaggle42@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 79d
The bike lane is usable. I mean, for about a half-a-block at a time, cause of the parked cars.
I wish NYC would allow citizens to take a video of a car parked in the bike lane for more than a minute, issue a ticket, and make it profitable for the ticket issuer. All of the problems would go away overnight.
And actually, I wish we could take videos of cars going through red lights. Or, LOL, illegal u-turns. "Go around the block" is not a thing anymore. Everyone just turns around wherever the fuck they are.
perviouslyiner@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 79d
If it's like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=483oaUU1tIs then the entire vehicle is built to the exact limits of e-bike laws. For example you can theoretically propel that thing by pedalling even if it is never intended that the 'rider' would do so.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 79d
Park?
FUCKING_CUNO@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 79d
thermal_shock@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 79d
adarza@piefed.ca · 5 pts · 80d
probably like the ones mentioned here rolling out in d.c.:
https://electrek.co/2026/05/17/amazon-is-deploying-these-massive-cargo-e-bikes-for-deliveries/
GreenCrunch@piefed.blahaj.zone · 39 pts · 80d
Yeah idk why they painted a bicycle on the Amazon Parking Lane
apftwb@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 79d
Oh no. Now we have justification for expanding bike lane infrastructure.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 79d
Wanted to bitch about it with everyone else. but you singlehandedly changed my mind.
Fuck Amazon, but more bike infrastructure is good.
blindbunny@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 79d
They want to use the bike lane so they don't have to follow traffic laws.
Bike infrastructure is good, capitalism still bad.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 79d
I don't disagree with you at all.
just wondering if a big chunk of NY delivery/cargo vehicles were electric cargo bikes like that, would it be an improvement? (given that will force turning car lanes into bike lanes).
blindbunny@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 79d
Theoretically it would be less asthma for children that's really not nothing.
But the batteries for those ebikes almost certainly come from children in mines.
It all ends up as borrowing from tom to pay peter back when amazon is involved.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 79d
Ebikes take much less resources than cars. Complaining about reducing the resources and energy needed for transportation is disingenuous.
You cannot pull a "no ethical consumption under capitalism" to protect the current status quo.
blindbunny@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 79d
Not abusing a sentience in another country so you can have your funco pops at home is also not nothing.
I'd like amazon logistics to be broken up and owned by the communities it inhabitants. But I'd also like that to happen to GM and Ford too. If you catch my drift.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 79d
100%
but logistics wise, small electric vehicles, small enough to be considered ebikes is preferable to current car/van/truck fleets. as they have a greater human cost as well.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 79d
What about the batteries in the phone you are using? Or the gasoline that's manufactured using cobalt-based catalysts? Do you care about the children in mines that extracted those?
the_abecedarian@piefed.social · 26 pts · 80d
AzuraTheSpellkissed@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 79d
Yeah, what a shitpost 🥰
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 79d
I don't know if you know this, but corporations are staffed by people who are in control of their own actions.
the_abecedarian@piefed.social · 10 pts · 79d
actually the board, C suite, and upper management are the ones who control what the employees do. maybe you've experienced this at your own job.
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 79d
Yeah, the board called up that specific worker and told them to drive in the bike lane.
the_abecedarian@piefed.social · 6 pts · 79d
do you not know how big companies work? pressure to work as fast as possible and not care about the world around you ("externalize costs") comes from every level of the business.
Amazon in particular uses "subcontractor" drivers who are paid less, have few/no benefits or protections, and who compete with each other on speed and other metrics. it's yet another reason to stop caring about the world around you.
https://theconversation.com/the-unraveling-of-workplace-protections-for-delivery-drivers-a-tale-of-2-workplace-models-268164
i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 79d
If they’re moving along the bike lanes the way cyclists use them I don’t have big beef here.
If they’re then PARKING in the bike lanes to go make their deliveries, we have a problem. One that can be solved pretty easily considering these aren’t cars and are very light. Very easy to tip. Especially when they’re just sitting there abandoned in a flat bike lane.
okwhateverdude@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 79d
"Do you maybe wanna go amazon tipping with me? 👉 👈🥺"
FUCKING_CUNO@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 80d
Did they buy a bunch of Model T's for deliveries?
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 80d
Golf carts
Zier@fedia.io · 1 pts · 79d
Henry Ford is missing from his grave.
blaggle42@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 79d
Yeah, I just hope NYC is taxing the fuck out of those quadra-cycle-boxes. I know we aren't, but come on- Amazon trucks routinely park all day near my apt, blocking the bike lane and half of the road. Tax them, tax them, tax them.
SingularEye@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 79d
how is that an ebike it has 4 wheels
Brkdncr@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 80d
It looks like the bike lane ended right before the truck.
marcos@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 80d
Yep. WTF the bike lane just ends and cars are signaled into moving there?
It is probably safer than just making cars cross the lane, but there's some transition missing there.
gankouskhan@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 79d
ebikes are vehicles in the same way that motorcycles are as in they are not exclusively human powered. They belong in the normal lanes with the other non human powered vehicles. It's dangerous to riders in the bike lane legally when ebikes and other vehicles are whipping around because they want to skip the line. According to NYC law you are only allowed 750 watts max and 15mph limit to use the bike lane. They really need to revisit that because these are not safe to others in the lane.