We should Describe Authoritarian policies as "INGSOC-ian" not "Orwellian." George Orwell was just the Messenger [literature][political slant]

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guillem@aussie.zone · 24 pts · 77d

It follows the pattern of Kafkian, Goethean, Brechtian, Ibsenian, Camusian, Foucauldian...

stylusmobilus@aussie.zone · 19 pts · 77d (4 replies)

Orwellian sounds good

INGSOCian sounds awkward

Like USian over American…I get it but it sounds stupid

grue@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 77d (1 reply)

Like USian over American…I get it but it sounds stupid

Frank Lloyd Wright tried to popularize "Usonian," but it never made it past the context of architecture.

Bonesince1997@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 77d

Sounds like them trying to figure out what to call people from San Diego in the movie Anchorman.

Mantzy81@aussie.zone · -2 pts · 77d (1 reply)

USians sounds stupid because most of the world think USians are pretty stupid so it's got a secondary aspect to it too. Plus, it's not fair on the other countries in the Americas to be tarred with the USian brush. They have it hard enough and nobody needs that association.

stylusmobilus@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 76d

I saw the downvotes but I saw the humour in this more.

Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 18 pts · 77d (1 reply)

Substituting words to mold the way people using them think? Pretty OrwellianINGSOCian.

nymnympseudonym@piefed.social · 5 pts · 77d

I'm 100% down with this. James Clapper's doublespeak to US Congress was the shocking reality to me that I lived under an INGSOCian government.

(I mean, this was the US and it's ING for England, but also it's called Oceana because the big pond is in the middle but it's the same Government)

psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 77d (1 reply)

Despite popular believes, H.P. Lovecraft isn't a Cthulhu himself, but someone who popularise the idea of Cthulhu.

ViatorOmnium@piefed.social · 3 pts · 77d

Lovecraftian is an adjective for a narrative style, so it's tied to the author itself.

Orwellian describes the actions of political regimes in just two of his books. When applied to cautionary narratives allegorising or extrapolating existing authoritanism it fulfils the same role as Lovecraftian. When it applies to real world governments using 1984 as an instruction manual, it's much broader.

Adderbox76@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 77d

That would just confuse people who haven't read the book.

db2@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 77d

Isn't that short for English socialism? It's been a while since I read the book but I'm pretty sure.

These fuckers aren't socialists.

lauha@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 77d

Why capitalise the word? In my book it is written Ingsoc so it would be ingsocian, not INGSOCian

Zier@fedia.io · 4 pts · 77d

Doubleplusgood!

CombatWombat@feddit.online · 3 pts · 77d (3 replies)

Most of them are more brave-new-worldian than ingsocian any way.

Miller@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 77d (2 replies)

Huxleian.

CombatWombat@feddit.online · 1 pts · 77d (1 reply)

In the real world, for sure. In response to the meme, I wanted to avoid using the last name version. What I really wanted was the name of the ruling party from the book, but it’s been too long and I don’t remember it anymore.

Miller@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 77d

You sound like you need a soma holiday.