Zelenskyy Urges UK, France, and Germany to Build European Alternative to US Patriot System
https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/zelenskyy-urges-uk-france-and-germany-to-build-european-alternative-to-us-patriot-system-19639
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MaggiWuerze@feddit.org · 35 pts · 76d
Yes please, we should not buy anything from the american MIC
Olap@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 76d
Long overdue. I'd make it a railgun
plyth@feddit.org · 4 pts · 75d
Is this sarcasm? What gives you the hope that it could work?
Rednax@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 75d
Japan has been succesfully testing railguns for naval use. Not as big or fancy as the projects the US focused on. But limited in scope, and aimed at practical use. They seem to have solved the barrel degrading issues well enough to make the guns viable.
That said. I think it is still too far out to focus on right now.
nosuchanon@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 75d
A lot of the missile defense systems are interceptors, which is basically destruction by impact. Honestly, direct energy weapons would also be better.
remon@ani.social · 2 pts · 75d
Nice as a close-in weapon, but entirely useless for high-altitude interceptions.
IanM42@piefed.world · 3 pts · 76d
Good for big stuff but we also need something for the swarm. Something fast firing or our own swarms.
ceiphas@feddit.org · 1 pts · 75d
Flak-cannons exist
Insekticus@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 75d
I hear Japan's are top of the line these days.
RidderSport@feddit.org · 17 pts · 75d
Good thing, that Germany and France have such a good track record with cooperating on weapons development
encelado748@feddit.org · 5 pts · 74d
You just need to add the italians to the mix. Then it will work with France, Germany and UK. But if you put together France, Germany and UK without Italy nothing will be done. It is actually strange that this is a thing. FCAS, MGCS, MAWS all failed. Tornado, Eurofighter, Meteor, FREMM all good enough. And even when things do not workout for the best between french (SAMP/T) and germans (IRIS-T) they both worked with ok italy. If they do not pull out because they are out of money they will make things go: they cannot afford otherwise.
RidderSport@feddit.org · 1 pts · 74d
Italy probably supplies foods and drinks to the meetings that's why they work.
FREMM however was without German or British involvement
jenesaisquoi@feddit.org · 8 pts · 75d
SAMP/T, IRIS-T: Am I a joke to you?
CAVOK@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 75d
Not jokes, but also not quite the long range interceptors that the Patriots are. We'll get get there I'm sure, but we're not there yet.
jenesaisquoi@feddit.org · 3 pts · 74d
I'm not a military specialist, but according to Ukraine, SAMP/T outperforms Patriot against Kinzhals. What I mean to say is that the range is likely only one among many properties that determine the real-world effectiveness
mineralfellow@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 74d
Who is this Zelensky guy, and why is he holding so many cards?
istdaslol@feddit.org · 5 pts · 75d
shouldnt take that much to upgrade iris-t ?