People on this platform want to be victims so bad. There's more posts about people complaining about other people complaining about them then there actually is.
I’d wager most leftists were liberals before becoming leftists.
Well, every person born in the west (and most other parts of the world these days) gets drenched in either liberal and/or fascist ideology (or, more usually, a combination of both) from birth... so that's not exactly a risky wager on your part.
It just has the toxic "intellectual" redditors since that's the instance that was recommended most, but it's not the majority of the users, just the highest concentration of them.
Anarchist is considered libertarian left, while what we typically call Libertarian is libertarian right. Yes, Anarchist is libertarian, but with an emphasis on the welfare of people, while libertarian right is usually about the freedom of businesses to exploit the people.
Hearing the word "reactionary" from a self-proclaimed leftist is a red flag, because it's used the same way right-wingers use "woke". Basically most can't define it without looking it up, or explain how it applies to what they're critiquing.
Aren't liberals left wing? As in, to the left of the political center? In Canada our Liberal government is considered to be center left. Just how much is debatable, but left.
(neo)liberalism is the political center (for all of the west, atleast for now but it stands on shaky legs), center left is for example social democracy and center right would be christian democracy.
Well damn. I'll look into this further later today when I'm not at work, but I honestly believed that liberals were center left with Tory conservatives being center right.
If you have any links to informative articles I'd appreciate them. Never too old to learn things.
Depends on who you ask really. According to the classical definition leftism begins at anti-capitalism. According to the mainstream, the left begins at government social programs. (srry if i made any typos)
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Gorilladrums@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 74d
People on this platform want to be victims so bad. There's more posts about people complaining about other people complaining about them then there actually is.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 32 pts · 74d
Liberals thinking they're part of the left because reactionaries hate them. Surprise, I don't like them either just for different reasons?
therealdries@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 74d
Fixed that for you.
Phantaloons@piefed.zip · 28 pts · 74d
I'd wager most leftists were liberals before becoming leftists.
So this may convert some new brethren!
Welcome aboard! Fill this glass bottle with gasoline and pass it on.
therealdries@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 74d
Well, every person born in the west (and most other parts of the world these days) gets drenched in either liberal and/or fascist ideology (or, more usually, a combination of both) from birth... so that's not exactly a risky wager on your part.
A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 74d
Mix it with oil or styrophor if you want it to burn longer
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 74d
They aren't independent of each other.
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip · 23 pts · 74d
It's always the most rancid take from a .world account.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 73d
Absolute losers over in .world, amirite?
Raiderkev@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 73d
Seriously
Evotech@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 73d
Agreed
starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 73d
It just has the toxic "intellectual" redditors since that's the instance that was recommended most, but it's not the majority of the users, just the highest concentration of them.
A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 21 pts · 74d
Context?
rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 36 pts · 74d
Any of the anarchist meme communities on lemmy
Pickleideas@lemmy.world · -35 pts · 74d
Agreed, if you consider anarchist leftist and not closet-libertarians
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 33 pts · 74d
Is this even in question? Anarchism quite clearly fits within the sphere of libertarian ideas.
The weird part is thinking that's a bad thing or somehow incompatible with leftism.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · -4 pts · 74d
Yeah, but they also complain about liberals funnily enough.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 11 pts · 74d
Who doesn't, honestly? If there's one thing people of all political stripes can agree on it's that liberals are annoying.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 74d
They are liberals, that's why it's funny.
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 73d
liberal from an economic sense or a philosophical sense? there's a difference
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net · 29 pts · 74d
I'm tired, boss 😂
Fifrok@discuss.tchncs.de · 13 pts · 74d
...what kind of definition of libertarian do you have, that anarchists aren't included in it?
Edit: There are non-leftist anarchists, like the whole post-left thing, but I have a feeling that's not what you mean
alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 74d
Anarchists are libertarian revolutionary socialists, WTF?
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 73d
Anarchist is considered libertarian left, while what we typically call Libertarian is libertarian right. Yes, Anarchist is libertarian, but with an emphasis on the welfare of people, while libertarian right is usually about the freedom of businesses to exploit the people.
therealdries@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 74d
Good.
If they weren't it would essentially mean we've lost all relevance.
Pajonk@szmer.info · 4 pts · 74d
alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -5 pts · 74d
You seem to be thinking how a nationalist (or transnationalist if you simp for the EU) chauvinist liberal...
Pajonk@szmer.info · 4 pts · 74d
alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 74d
I'm not even from the USA lol, literally from Europe.
The EU is a union of financial capital and a bastion of it's own reactionary neo-colonialism and imperialism...
Also you don't sound like a socialist TBH
Saledovil@sh.itjust.works · -10 pts · 74d
Hearing the word "reactionary" from a self-proclaimed leftist is a red flag, because it's used the same way right-wingers use "woke". Basically most can't define it without looking it up, or explain how it applies to what they're critiquing.
therealdries@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 74d
Oh my good lord... where the fuck do you liberals get this kind of garbage from? PragerU?
Saledovil@sh.itjust.works · -10 pts · 74d
Actually based on simple observation, like the fact that I'm seemingly the only one here who has defined "reactionary".
therealdries@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 74d
And since when do you get to "define" terms that you obviously don't understand?
alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 74d
It's common knowledge for every socialist TBH
Saledovil@sh.itjust.works · -6 pts · 74d
A reactionary is somebody who wants to restore a previous status quo. Which us not something the EU is trying to do.
alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 74d
In the socialist/Marxist context it's used differently just FYI
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 74d
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 73d
Dae tankie bad?
Worstdriver@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 72d
Okay, please educate me...
Aren't liberals left wing? As in, to the left of the political center? In Canada our Liberal government is considered to be center left. Just how much is debatable, but left.
Fifrok@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 72d
(neo)liberalism is the political center (for all of the west, atleast for now but it stands on shaky legs), center left is for example social democracy and center right would be christian democracy.
Worstdriver@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 72d
Well damn. I'll look into this further later today when I'm not at work, but I honestly believed that liberals were center left with Tory conservatives being center right.
If you have any links to informative articles I'd appreciate them. Never too old to learn things.
A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 72d
Depends on who you ask really. According to the classical definition leftism begins at anti-capitalism. According to the mainstream, the left begins at government social programs. (srry if i made any typos)
Sharkticon@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 72d
No.
skeptomatic@lemmy.ca · -3 pts · 74d
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 74d
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com · 23 pts · 74d
This is what the liberal brain thinks the left really believe
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 74d
Not the average leftist, yes, but there is a sizeable number of people with strange beliefs...
4am@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 74d
Liberal memes: “Actually the leftists are worse because they don’t want us to be able to get rich even though I said I’m ok with gay people”
A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 74d
wat ._.