I always buy the cheapest phone and usually they dont have built in qr code scanner. My current phone doesnt. And no, im not downloading some shitty feature-stuffed adware app just to scan qr codes
Slightly off topic, but if you need a QR code scanner there are really good open source ones available on F-Droid. Such is SecScanQR which I have been using for quite a while.
If you need a utility app chances are an open source one already exists. Avoid crapware from the Play Store.
Yep. If the web requires ID to do anything I will only use it for banking and shit I already give my ID to. For everything else I'll just pirate, or use tor/I2P until they lock me up.
All these fascist criminal pedophiles that want to control us can suck a big fat bag of dicks.
I think such an all-or-nothing mindset is exactly why people are staying on megacorp services. Besides, Mistral is much more transparent about its data collection, unlike Google, which makes you disable all chat history if you want to prevent training on your inputs.
AI chats are pretty good for finding leads on unknown unknowns when researching something new. Maybe it's just because of how much worse search engines are now but theyre also pretty good for troubleshooting when you don't have good keywords to narrow down the search effectively.
I see where you're coming from and agree that modern search engines are trash. Have you tried the alternate search engines suggested in the first comment? I would personally try those first I suppose.
A locally run LLM is a different story, one that I'm slightly more open to, but "trusting" any corp is how we got here. To me degoogling isn't just about moving away from Google but about removing myself from any nonessential service and limiting the data I share with essential services.
I also just plain don't know what I'd use any LLM for.
I think needing multiple searches and sources is a good thing, personally. Yes it takes more time and effort but it reinforces research skills. Performing the search yourself provides an opportunity to critically evaluate the information you're finding and, if applicable, take into account any bias a source may have.
Can't comment on code generation.
I suppose it depends on the Linux difficulty but reading through documentation and ArchWiki typically gets me enough info to make a more informed/refined search. You're also likely to stumble across information you'll want to know rather than just find an answer to the question you're asking.
Your responses are the equivalent of "I don't use the internet, because nothing beats the experience of walking to your library and looking through the research material yourself".
Sure, I can do all of those things. But, sometimes I don't want to spend hours going through the searches, bang my head against the wall with useless tech forums, and get frustrated with shifting through the results. The LLM can get it done in a minute or two, and I can still ask follow-up questions if I don't trust anything, or want clarification.
And yes, like Wikipedia, I still review the sources and review the code.
No, my responses are literally "AI answers, legwork teaches." If you don't understand or appreciate that difference you are doing yourself a disservice.
Privacy nightmare aside, is it just me or does this sound a lot less secure than the find the bus bullshit they do now? Seems like it would be much easier for a bot to generate a realistic looking hand wave than interpret increasingly obscure photo puzzles.
They can definetly use signals like VPN usage, not allowing third-party cookies and whatever else to force this verification mode if they want to. They may not be doing it right now but nothing prevents them.
It's reCAPTCHA. What "their garbage internet" are you referring to? The singular internet, the one you're on right now? reCAPTCHA is used on tons of websites. It used to be useful until Google turned it into a machine learning training tool rather than a bot filtering tool.
I still wouldn't want google capturing my body and my home even through the filter of sticky tape. even if it's pitch black, I can't rule out that they're not fingerprinting whatever they can find that's unique about my camera's sensor.
I have a Mac, so it has things like WiFi and Bluetooth that most Wintel boxes don’t tend to have. (I used to build PCs. I know those motherboards exist, and what it costs over base to get those features. So I know they exist and why they’re not common.) What it does not have is a camera. My MacBook has one, but any site that wants to use it needs to ask permission first. When I say no, it does not see the camera. It’s not saying “I see camera, can I use it” it’s asking “can I use camera?” An answer of no returns the message “no camera.”
I suspect it’s the same with all platforms. Meaning anyone who wants this can use it and the rest of us will just default to identifying sidewalks to train the cars.
Chinese corporations and government have been doing this shit for years. Trying to use alipay on a trip to China was a dystopian nightmare lol. USA has only just started to catch up to them in terms of digital surveillance. This stuff and things like "Flock" that Americans are freaking out about right now are a completely normal fact of life over there.
"Google has added Hand gesture verification functionality to reCAPTCHA"
This title is clickbait, if we want Lemmy to be a competitor to Reddit we need to be better moderated than they are, not worse. Please report this post and OP to your instance admins.
Remember when Google told us that they didn't keep/listen to the recordings from their smart speakers, then we found out that was a complete fucking lie?
Fool me once... Though I guess they didn't really even fool me the first time as I just assumed it's what they were doing with the smart speakers from the get go
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eleitl@lemmy.zip · 141 pts · 71d
Fuck you, Google.
ContactClosure@lemmus.org · 6 pts · 71d
Oh I'm gonna wave some stuff at them.
Wildone@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 70d
ulu_mulu@lemmy.zip · 101 pts · 71d
Don't have a webcam on my desktop (main PC) and I have no intention of getting one.
undefinedTruth@lemmy.zip · 44 pts · 71d
Don't worry, it will ask you to scan a QR code to complete the verification on your phone.
OutsideBoxYouMustThink@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 71d
That made me chuckle
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 71d
No phone. Now what?
possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 70d
You're shit out of luck
wonderfulvoltaire@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 71d
Jokes aside don't give them ideas
lazynooblet@lazysoci.al · 31 pts · 71d
They already do this
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 71d
What's the joke?
TheSlad@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 71d
I always buy the cheapest phone and usually they dont have built in qr code scanner. My current phone doesnt. And no, im not downloading some shitty feature-stuffed adware app just to scan qr codes
undefinedTruth@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 71d
Slightly off topic, but if you need a QR code scanner there are really good open source ones available on F-Droid. Such is SecScanQR which I have been using for quite a while.
If you need a utility app chances are an open source one already exists. Avoid crapware from the Play Store.
phobiac@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 70d
There hasn't been a need for a dedicated QR code scanning application on Android or iOS for years now, it's just a feature of the camera application.
thousandyardstare@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 70d
Drink verification can
Chaunticleer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 92 pts · 71d
Absolutely not. Go fuck yourselves. There's not a person in the world who I would do this for.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 25 pts · 71d
Came to say this. I'm not uploading my ID so I can check my emails. I'm not turning on a camera so I can log into a website.
zikzak025@lemmy.world · 64 pts · 71d
So what's stopping me from using OBS as a virtual camera and feeding it a stream of stock footage of someone waving their hand?
Tiresia@slrpnk.net · 34 pts · 71d
[relevant xkcd]
IDew@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 71d
This...
DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth · 53 pts · 71d
It can try, but I'm not doing that. I will stop using everything that requires it.
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world · 54 pts · 71d
Yep. If the web requires ID to do anything I will only use it for banking and shit I already give my ID to. For everything else I'll just pirate, or use tor/I2P until they lock me up.
All these fascist criminal pedophiles that want to control us can suck a big fat bag of dicks.
MrTolkinghoen@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 71d
Yep. We'll make our own internet. And it won't have recaptcha
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 71d
For reasons like this, my webcam is only plugged in when I actively need it.
RadicalRebel@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 71d
Same!
dudesss@lemmy.ca · 31 pts · 71d
Even more reason to DeGoogle your computers
UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 71d
Bruh
foreverunsure@pawb.social · 7 pts · 71d
I think such an all-or-nothing mindset is exactly why people are staying on megacorp services. Besides, Mistral is much more transparent about its data collection, unlike Google, which makes you disable all chat history if you want to prevent training on your inputs.
dudesss@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 71d
All-or-nothing mindset people usually do not comment because they want to be helpful. They are a nuisance.
UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 70d
What do you use AI for?
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 70d
Finding sea lions.
dudesss@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 70d
To block trolls on the internet.
UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 70d
I'm genuinely engaging with the other comments but go off.
UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 70d
What is your use case for LLMs?
My mindset is all-or-nothing because I have yet to find a use for LLMs. Enlighten me, please.
spacesatan@lazysoci.al · 3 pts · 70d
AI chats are pretty good for finding leads on unknown unknowns when researching something new. Maybe it's just because of how much worse search engines are now but theyre also pretty good for troubleshooting when you don't have good keywords to narrow down the search effectively.
UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 70d
I see where you're coming from and agree that modern search engines are trash. Have you tried the alternate search engines suggested in the first comment? I would personally try those first I suppose.
EatMyPixelDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 70d
Reducing the user's cognitive abilities seems to be the main use of LLMs so far.
p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 71d
I generally favor local LLM usage, but I will sometimes use Kagi's assistant tools. I trust them to throw out my data a fuckton more than I do Google.
UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 70d
A locally run LLM is a different story, one that I'm slightly more open to, but "trusting" any corp is how we got here. To me degoogling isn't just about moving away from Google but about removing myself from any nonessential service and limiting the data I share with essential services.
I also just plain don't know what I'd use any LLM for.
p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 70d
PewDiePie has been on a tear lately with recommending everybody switch to Linux and recently experimenting with LLMs. He put out a legit good local LLM project that showcases the different kinds of things you can do with a model.
My biggest LLM use cases have been:
UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 70d
I think needing multiple searches and sources is a good thing, personally. Yes it takes more time and effort but it reinforces research skills. Performing the search yourself provides an opportunity to critically evaluate the information you're finding and, if applicable, take into account any bias a source may have.
Can't comment on code generation.
I suppose it depends on the Linux difficulty but reading through documentation and ArchWiki typically gets me enough info to make a more informed/refined search. You're also likely to stumble across information you'll want to know rather than just find an answer to the question you're asking.
p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 69d
Your responses are the equivalent of "I don't use the internet, because nothing beats the experience of walking to your library and looking through the research material yourself".
Sure, I can do all of those things. But, sometimes I don't want to spend hours going through the searches, bang my head against the wall with useless tech forums, and get frustrated with shifting through the results. The LLM can get it done in a minute or two, and I can still ask follow-up questions if I don't trust anything, or want clarification.
And yes, like Wikipedia, I still review the sources and review the code.
UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 69d
No, my responses are literally "AI answers, legwork teaches." If you don't understand or appreciate that difference you are doing yourself a disservice.
nightofmichelinstars@sopuli.xyz · 27 pts · 71d
Privacy nightmare aside, is it just me or does this sound a lot less secure than the find the bus bullshit they do now? Seems like it would be much easier for a bot to generate a realistic looking hand wave than interpret increasingly obscure photo puzzles.
MrTolkinghoen@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 71d
Well right. But they can't collect your photo and other data that way.
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 71d
Jokes on them, I have no webcam.
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 70d
Me either.....
But you do have a cellphone with camera and mic
this@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 71d
Fuck that
llama@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 70d
So can I just use the OBS virtual camera with a video of somebody waving
calliope@retrolemmy.com · 15 pts · 71d
Saying “WILL” is clickbait.
As many have pointed out, they can’t force this.
undefinedTruth@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 71d
They can definetly use signals like VPN usage, not allowing third-party cookies and whatever else to force this verification mode if they want to. They may not be doing it right now but nothing prevents them.
athatet@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 71d
Me not using their garbage internet does indeed stop them from doing it to me.
irotsoma@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 71d
It's reCAPTCHA. What "their garbage internet" are you referring to? The singular internet, the one you're on right now? reCAPTCHA is used on tons of websites. It used to be useful until Google turned it into a machine learning training tool rather than a bot filtering tool.
athatet@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 71d
Literally yes. I just won’t use that website.
RamenJunkie@midwest.social · 3 pts · 71d
Its Google, they will try. "This is the only way to accesss your emails."
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 71d
Uh yeah, it most certainly will not.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 71d
Google can turn on my webcam all it wants. They can't see through the sticky tape anyways.
noxypaws@pawb.social · 5 pts · 71d
I still wouldn't want google capturing my body and my home even through the filter of sticky tape. even if it's pitch black, I can't rule out that they're not fingerprinting whatever they can find that's unique about my camera's sensor.
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 71d
They can't turn on a webcam that doesn't exist. I have no intention of connecting one to my desktops.
roserose56@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 71d
And it says "When the hand gesture feature is enabled, reCAPTCHA collects the following data:".
When it gets forced, we talk again.
zerofk@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 71d
Waving is something robots already could in the 80s.
siravious@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 71d
That’s it, I’m rewatching Short Circuit now
Frenchgeek@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 71d
Can the AI identify which finger I'm waving too?
Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 71d
If I have to do face verification at some point I am using a pic of Harold. I am almost 70.
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 71d
Web cam? I don't have one on my computer, what now?
halfapage@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 71d
unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 71d
Doesn't AI work great for this, what with those AIs that turn Reddit mods into anime cosplayer girls?
molestme247@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 68d
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 70d
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 71d
Well, not me.
Maeve@kbin.earth · 0 pts · 71d
Copypasta.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -4 pts · 71d
I have a Mac, so it has things like WiFi and Bluetooth that most Wintel boxes don’t tend to have. (I used to build PCs. I know those motherboards exist, and what it costs over base to get those features. So I know they exist and why they’re not common.) What it does not have is a camera. My MacBook has one, but any site that wants to use it needs to ask permission first. When I say no, it does not see the camera. It’s not saying “I see camera, can I use it” it’s asking “can I use camera?” An answer of no returns the message “no camera.”
I suspect it’s the same with all platforms. Meaning anyone who wants this can use it and the rest of us will just default to identifying sidewalks to train the cars.
charokol@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 71d
Sounds like one of these things that people are scared is going to happen but will never actually happen
deadcream@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 71d
Chinese corporations and government have been doing this shit for years. Trying to use alipay on a trip to China was a dystopian nightmare lol. USA has only just started to catch up to them in terms of digital surveillance. This stuff and things like "Flock" that Americans are freaking out about right now are a completely normal fact of life over there.
noxypaws@pawb.social · 5 pts · 71d
you haven't been paying attention
Kirk@startrek.website · -19 pts · 71d
"Google has added Hand gesture verification functionality to reCAPTCHA"
This title is clickbait, if we want Lemmy to be a competitor to Reddit we need to be better moderated than they are, not worse. Please report this post and OP to your instance admins.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 24 pts · 71d
Imagine actually believing that they don't retain footage. Were you born yesterday?
Kirk@startrek.website · -16 pts · 71d
Report this comment too. We can't let Lemmy get overrun with clickbait spam or it will get worse here than reddit.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 20 pts · 71d
Remember when Google told us that they didn't keep/listen to the recordings from their smart speakers, then we found out that was a complete fucking lie?
https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/en/2019/07/10/google-employees-are-eavesdropping-even-in-flemish-living-rooms/
https://www.securitymagazine.com/articles/93043-google-admits-its-home-speakers-recorded-at-all-times
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2019/07/11/google-home-smart-speakers-employees-listen-conversations/1702205001/
So yeah no, fuck that.
frunch@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 71d
Don't worry!! They said it again in the article OP posted, so we know we have nothing to worry about:
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 70d
Yeah exactly.
Fool me once... Though I guess they didn't really even fool me the first time as I just assumed it's what they were doing with the smart speakers from the get go
Kirk@startrek.website · -2 pts · 71d
Just because google sucks it doesn't mean you should upvote clickbait and spam
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 2 pts · 71d
HOW IS IT CLICKBAIT OR SPAM
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 71d
we dont care about reddit
Kirk@startrek.website · 0 pts · 71d
We should care about clickbait and spam
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 71d
it isnt clickbait nor spam
how much is google paying you?
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 3 pts · 71d
mr evil has said that hes not evil please dont call him evil he never did anything evil
Kirk@startrek.website · -1 pts · 71d
Why are you protecting clickbait spam?
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 71d
because it isnt