Russian Africa Corps and Malian Troops Accused of Killing Civilians and Arranging Remains Into Swastika
https://united24media.com/world/russian-africa-corps-and-malian-troops-accused-of-killing-civilians-and-arranging-remains-into-swastika-20201
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homes@piefed.world · 23 pts · 51d
What the fuck is it with Russians and swastikas? Didn’t they kill more of each other than anyone else in World War II? Twisted.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 23 pts · 51d
Fascism is a clown outfit anybody can wear.
Madison420@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 51d
People forget the whole Russia helping the Nazis thing. They only separated because Germany wanted their land too not due to ideological conflicts.
jrs100000@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 51d
Well no, there were also serious ideological conflicts. They were both genocidal ethnic supremacist authoritarians though, so Russians are taught that the primary thing the Nazis did wrong was attack Russia, but not the reason why they attacked Russia.
homes@piefed.world · 1 pts · 51d
if I used the word "oversimplification" here in context, it might rip a hole in the universe.
but, yeah.
Fizz@lemmy.nz · 6 pts · 51d
Before that they were allied.
impairedimperator@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 51d
A non-aggression pact is not an alliance.
Fizz@lemmy.nz · 2 pts · 50d
How is it not an alliance? It fits that definition perfectly. They supported Germany's war effort economically they had meetings where they talked about dividing up Europe, they double teamed Poland together and had a parade after.
impairedimperator@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 50d
Because it is a non-aggression pact. Alliances usually involve mutual defense treaties. Non-aggression pacts are agreements that neither country will attack or otherwise interfere with the military operations of another country.
I know it's popular to hate Russia, but you don't need to fabricate history that never occured.
Fizz@lemmy.nz · 1 pts · 50d
You're getting hung up on the literal title and ignoring the historical reality. When your "non aggression pact" also includes actively partitioning independent nations, coordinated military invasions, joint victory parades, and massive economic agreements specifically to fuel war against the West and support your war against the eastern bloc its an alliance in all but name.
USSR didn't need nor want mutual defense as germany was the only one who would threaten them and they were themselves about to go on an expansionist war against smaller countries.
impairedimperator@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 50d
Yep. That's a good description of a non-aggression pact. Not an alliance. I also like your use of bigly non-specific words, reminds me of a certain president.
So, you gonna keep making up dumb shit or what?
Fizz@lemmy.nz · 1 pts · 48d
Its a good description of an alliance two nations dividing up Europe to conqueror and supporting each other with supplies, oil, military hardware. But I'm sure you also think north Korea is a democracy after all they are called the democratic peoples republic.
homes@piefed.world · 2 pts · 51d
lol, I know.
Worst. Breakup. Ever.
Tolc@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 51d
who?
homes@piefed.world · 5 pts · 51d
The Nazis and the Russians. I’d actually have to check the numbers on this, but I’m pretty sure that the Nazis and the Russians killed more of each other than any other belligerents in World War II. By a lot.
I might be misremembering this, but I think it’s one of the reasons why Eisenhower let the Soviets take Berlin, because it would help with post war diplomacy.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 51d
Because Germany and russia both refused to evolve their military tactics past a certain point and the ideology of both countries saw their soldiers as worthless and disposable, the loss of life on the German and russian sides was incomprehensibly big.
Europe has a fatal obsession with meat wave assaults that has so far largely shown itself incapable of letting go of, Ukraine's military being the exception that Europe is still reluctant to learn from.
I believe this comes from a long history in Europe of incestous royalty fighting wars against each other where the pummeling and obliteration of the peasant class on both sides was a boon for the ruling class on both sides. War was a safe way to cull populist energy from the lower classes without threatening the power of the ruling class. Winning efficiently wasn't really the point.
It took the indigenous peoples of the US kicking the US army's ass to break the US out of that dead end of fighting philosophy.
Ukraine broke this longstanding unspoken rule of war among the European ruling class.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_(World_War_II)
https://www.historyextra.com/period/second-world-war/eastern-front-ww2-what-went-wrong-why/
homes@piefed.world · 1 pts · 51d
this specific tactic was known as Attrition Warfare
The last major war fought with this as the dominant strategy was World War I (in the style of trench warfare), most preeminently at the Battle of the Somme. While World War II was begun with this strategy, it quickly fell off, with battle groups and lines breaking off into smaller, more mobile, and more versatile combat groups, pioneered by American commando units which could rapidly outmaneuver enemy troop deployments.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 51d
Germany of course pioneered blitzkrieg warfare in large part but the thing is you can teach fascists how to fight effectively all you want, they will always unlearn it in favor of fighting in a way that alligns with their aesthetics and ideology that drew them to violence in the first place.
Russia and Germany were happy to do this together even as in many ways fighting efficiency increased, neither side on the Eastern Front gave a shit about human life.
Tolc@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 50d
nazi apologia right here
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 50d
I sourced evidence, all I see is cope from you.
Tolc@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 50d
true for germany, not for soviet union. they were defending their homeland
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 50d
Do you think fascists won't defend their homeland?
Of course they will, but first they will try to become allies with Hitler and then be totally caught offguard when it backfires.
Tolc@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 40d
also soviets being an "ally" to hitler is a brutal liberal propaganda which has no historical grounds but you guys are just evil esptienite propaganda believers so it checks out
Tolc@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 50d
so you are saying soviets shouldve allowed germs to invade them to "save human lives"?
Zombie@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 51d
You are correct. This video helps visualise the quantities, it's nuts:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DwKPFT-RioU&t=285s I've put a time jump to the relevant part but if it doesn't work go to 4:45
Tolc@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 50d
murmelade@lemmy.ml · -4 pts · 51d
This is projection propaganda, mind the source.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 51d
Leave it to .ml to defend kleptocratic, capitalist Russia 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 51d
Go off and read Sputnik and RT, you brainwashed useful idiot.
murmelade@lemmy.ml · -4 pts · 51d
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 15 pts · 51d
So what? I am sure Ukraine has some number of nazis like anywhere else, the difference is the russian military is a wholistically a human rights crisis pretending it is a professional military. The entire structure of the russian military is fascist.
Also, NOT the same as a human body cut into the shape of a nazi swastika.
edit for anyone curious how inhumane and systematic the humans rights violations of the russian military are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war_(2022%E2%80%93present)
dreamkeeper@literature.cafe · 3 pts · 50d
It's a tanky account. I've learned that they aren't worth engaging. Just a bunch of authoritarians and agitators.
murmelade@lemmy.ml · -7 pts · 51d
And I'm the brainwashed one....
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 12 pts · 51d
Hey asshole why don't you sign up to be a russian soldier? Why not?
Is it because you know you would be beaten and abused and then sent with no warning and no training to die in a mass meatwave assault on the frontline? Or even better maybe you get injured because russia doesn't give a shit about medevac and you die a slow but just as pointless death?
The numbers don't lie, the russian military is a fascist machine completely unconcerned with human life, even the human lives of their own soldiers. There is also overwhelming evidence the russian military purposefully targets civilians and non-combatants, which is also fascist.
murmelade@lemmy.ml · -6 pts · 51d
More projection, we've all seen the busification videos from Ukraine. Who are you lying to? We've all seen Russian attacks going out of their way to spare civilians while Ukraine attacks schools... You're a racist russophobe and you should be ashamed of yourself. Go help your Azov bros in the trenches coward.
Do you know what a sane person would say is an acceptable number of Nazis in your "army"? 0
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 50d
Imagine you accidentally ride your motorcycle outside the allowed imaginary line, and the consequence isn't a ticket ... It's a drone strike.
Fucking fascists
Tolc@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 51d
death toll of capitalism
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 51d
What?
Tolc@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 50d
I said what I said