For better and for worse, that "statistic" is pure nonsense. Some guy basically just made it up and sort of tried to make the historical data look like it fits, but if you look into it it's going to give you a headache.
The question misses some history. Of all global powers only the USSR has been erased since the advent of democracy. And it can be argued that the disappearance of the Soviets is their lack of democracy. Having the state reside with the People has an incredible sustaining power. For example, France has survived as a nation through several governments. Germany and Italy have been through some wild times and they still exist as nations.
Trump and MAGA might bring about a revolution but America will continue.
I am confused by what you are saying. There have been several global powers that have come and gone since the 6th century, the Ottoman Empire for instance.
…and the Ottoman Empire was more than just Turkey. At one point it spanned from the borders of Italy all the way around the Mediterranean to modern day Algeria.
By your logic then America won’t survive because like the Soviet Union it’s just a federal system of constituent parts that are highly unlikely to participate in a mass government together again.
... Is that not the name of the country? Every source I can find online seems to indicate that's the preferred nomenclature now. Or does this have some problematic connotation that google isn't showing me?
I neither know why ordinary people would call it like that, since Turkey is still practically the usual name (more recognisable, easier to write and pronounce), nor why calling it Türkiye anyway would be suspicious.
I just assumed they couldn't type the u with umlauts but wanted to use the current name; and I just really want to know why that other guy thinks that confers "questionable motives".
the name of the country in english is "turkey", insisting on people changing what it's called in other languages is nationalist propaganda from the Erdoğan government.
It's like if germany suddenly decided everyone has to call it "Deutschland", it's obviously silly and frankly kinda offensive. You only get to make such requests if you've suffered colonialism and oppression by other countries, which turkey most certainly has not (they have been the colonizer and oppressor).
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antonim@lemmy.world · 91 pts · 39d
For better and for worse, that "statistic" is pure nonsense. Some guy basically just made it up and sort of tried to make the historical data look like it fits, but if you look into it it's going to give you a headache.
weeeeum@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 38d
Also super dumb to assert "after x years, it always dies!"
Like ya, everything already dies eventually. Imagine writing "every human who lived past 70 ALWAYS DIES!!!!"
germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 38d
Shut up, let us hope in peace
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 39d
The question misses some history. Of all global powers only the USSR has been erased since the advent of democracy. And it can be argued that the disappearance of the Soviets is their lack of democracy. Having the state reside with the People has an incredible sustaining power. For example, France has survived as a nation through several governments. Germany and Italy have been through some wild times and they still exist as nations.
Trump and MAGA might bring about a revolution but America will continue.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 39d
I am confused by what you are saying. There have been several global powers that have come and gone since the 6th century, the Ottoman Empire for instance.
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 38d
Yet Turkiye remains. I am saying the government is not the nation. That means that no matter what happens, America will remain.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 38d
Right but so does Russia so I’m not sure why you brought up the USSR.
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 38d
The USSR was so much more than just Russia. That legacy is part of why Russia is invading Ukraine. Again.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 38d
…and the Ottoman Empire was more than just Turkey. At one point it spanned from the borders of Italy all the way around the Mediterranean to modern day Algeria.
By your logic then America won’t survive because like the Soviet Union it’s just a federal system of constituent parts that are highly unlikely to participate in a mass government together again.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de · 0 pts · 38d
calling it "turkiye" makes me question your motives
volore@scribe.disroot.org · 6 pts · 38d
... Is that not the name of the country? Every source I can find online seems to indicate that's the preferred nomenclature now. Or does this have some problematic connotation that google isn't showing me?
antonim@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 38d
It's actually supposed to be Türkiye, due to Turkey's request to be called like that in English by international entities: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61671913
I neither know why ordinary people would call it like that, since Turkey is still practically the usual name (more recognisable, easier to write and pronounce), nor why calling it Türkiye anyway would be suspicious.
volore@scribe.disroot.org · 7 pts · 38d
I just assumed they couldn't type the u with umlauts but wanted to use the current name; and I just really want to know why that other guy thinks that confers "questionable motives".
antonim@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 38d
Tbh, that kinda does make more sense... still a weird complaint though.
LuminousLuddite@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 38d
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 38d
the name of the country in english is "turkey", insisting on people changing what it's called in other languages is nationalist propaganda from the Erdoğan government.
It's like if germany suddenly decided everyone has to call it "Deutschland", it's obviously silly and frankly kinda offensive. You only get to make such requests if you've suffered colonialism and oppression by other countries, which turkey most certainly has not (they have been the colonizer and oppressor).
Kellenved@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 38d
Empire =/= civilization
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 38d
Also country and empire are different.
Fontasia@feddit.nl · 5 pts · 38d
Cambodia got 1000 years
Mali got 400
I think there's just something specifically shit about the west
HexesofVexes@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 38d
Hexbear crosspost; stat is also questionable (apples to oranges, small sample size).