A bit besides the point, but I have been thinking about this.
I currently use duckduckgo. However I have two problems:
Most of the results are usually SEO spam
The page takes a ton of time to load
Google also has the first issue (though not nearly as much), and so do all its wrappers.
The only search engine that made me feel more or less like I was getting decent results was kagi (especially with the fact that I could block and report AI slop and block sites that I don't like), but that's just too expensive for me normally.
I've honestly been using Claude or chatgpt for it and specifically asking for sources. But as they get more desperate for money they're going to start to have paid sponsorships...
Someday soon:
Search: "How to boil eggs"
How to Boil Eggs Perfectly
Boil water, gently lower eggs in, cook for 6–12 minutes depending on desired firmness, then cool in ice water.
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MEGAFOOT™ Tactical Smart Shoes
"Boil eggs like a champion by standing near the stove in AI-powered footwear."
✓ Bluetooth 6.0
✓ Carbon fiber sole
✓ "Chef Mode" (Premium subscription required)
✓ Financing available from $19.99/month for 84 months
BBC Good Food – Perfect Boiled Eggs
Cooking times, peeling tips, and altitude adjustments.
Reddit – Why do my eggs always crack?
"Don't overcrowd the pot."
Wikipedia – Egg (food)
History, nutrition, and culinary uses.
One of the key selling points of the AI search results is that they bypass the problem of wading through SEO slop. Though I’m sure that is just a matter of time.
I’ve just started blocking SEO slop while using ddg on my main computer. Makes my life easier if it’s just DigitalOcean blogs rather than geeksforgeeks or linuxvox. The latter being full-on ai slop. At least DO/Vultr/whatever actually bothers with content quality because it’s their PaaS.
I run an uncensored gemm4 or qwen3. 6, funny thing you can tell them to giva ya result like google search but their is no publicity. Even google gemma4 is relatively helpful to do srarch. And since search are mostly llm now, no change.
Yea, I tried duck duck. I always have to grab Google to get the results i need. I suppose if I was not a power user and in IT that I could take more time to look for results it would work. But for now Google is still king.
Google uses semantic caching, so if you submit a query that is the same as another query in terms of the AI response, it won’t be generating a new reply each time.
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beegnyoshi@lemmy.zip · 32 pts · 53d
A bit besides the point, but I have been thinking about this.
I currently use duckduckgo. However I have two problems:
Google also has the first issue (though not nearly as much), and so do all its wrappers.
The only search engine that made me feel more or less like I was getting decent results was kagi (especially with the fact that I could block and report AI slop and block sites that I don't like), but that's just too expensive for me normally.
What do ya'll do for search?
iocase@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 53d
I've honestly been using Claude or chatgpt for it and specifically asking for sources. But as they get more desperate for money they're going to start to have paid sponsorships...
Someday soon:
Search: "How to boil eggs"
⭐ Sponsored
MEGAFOOT™ Tactical Smart Shoes
"Boil eggs like a champion by standing near the stove in AI-powered footwear." ✓ Bluetooth 6.0 ✓ Carbon fiber sole ✓ "Chef Mode" (Premium subscription required) ✓ Financing available from $19.99/month for 84 months
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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 53d
dude did i misread this one. and yes, angels have laser eyes.
DinosaurOuijaBoard@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 53d
(Here for suggestions. I've been feeling the same about DDG and Kagi)
1Malayali@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 53d
Does using uBlock Origin help?
Or maybe https://lite.duckduckgo.com/lite/?q=%25s ?
Or https://html.duckduckgo.com/html/?q=%25s
VinegarChunks@lemmus.org · 4 pts · 53d
One of the key selling points of the AI search results is that they bypass the problem of wading through SEO slop. Though I’m sure that is just a matter of time.
evadersnack@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 53d
I’ve just started blocking SEO slop while using ddg on my main computer. Makes my life easier if it’s just DigitalOcean blogs rather than geeksforgeeks or linuxvox. The latter being full-on ai slop. At least DO/Vultr/whatever actually bothers with content quality because it’s their PaaS.
beegnyoshi@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 52d
Damn, this comment made me discover ublacklist. I am definitely going to start using it!
Magnum@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 52d
I use searXNG
Diurnambule@jlai.lu · 3 pts · 53d
I run an uncensored gemm4 or qwen3. 6, funny thing you can tell them to giva ya result like google search but their is no publicity. Even google gemma4 is relatively helpful to do srarch. And since search are mostly llm now, no change.
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 53d
DuckDuckGo is just a frontend to various Microsoft products.
titanicx@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 53d
Yea, I tried duck duck. I always have to grab Google to get the results i need. I suppose if I was not a power user and in IT that I could take more time to look for results it would work. But for now Google is still king.
Nalivai@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 52d
Duck uses Bing backend, which is shit at the best of times.
Everyone who actually uses Kagi swears by it, and I am on the brink of actually trying it.
squirrel@cake.kobel.fyi · 22 pts · 53d
The easiest way to search without generating AI overviews is https://noai.duckduckgo.com/
I wish more search engines would implement something like this.
LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 53d
If you want to use Google instead of Bing, but don't want AI slop, set your default search engine to this.
https://google.com/search?udm=14&q=%25s
Along with ublock and Firefox, it gives me ad free, ai free, Google search.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 53d
doesn’t ecosia use google these days? may be better
redsand@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 53d
Quant, startpage, kagi, btdig, shodan... Lots of good search engines out there still
cogitase@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 53d
Google uses semantic caching, so if you submit a query that is the same as another query in terms of the AI response, it won’t be generating a new reply each time.
recked_wralph@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 52d
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/05/google-searchs-udm14-trick-lets-you-kill-ai-search-for-good/
You can use something like udm14.org or a browser plugin to force web searches only
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 53d
My old homies at stack overflow, ya’ll still be?
VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 52d
The original skit is even better. He asks what color a fire hydrant is and the AI dumps out 3 bottles of water and says, "blue."
kibiz0r@midwest.social · 3 pts · 53d
Use Kagi
ikidd@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 53d
Yah, why make Google work to de-anonymize my searches when I can just give someone my credit card so they know.
kibiz0r@midwest.social · 6 pts · 53d
You can pay with Bitcoin if you want, and there’s privacy pass. But I thought we were talking about forced AI overviews in search?
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 53d
It makes shit up