We can say in the future that we wanted to solve the matter by coming to an mutual agreement. Now just wait.
Reverse engineers just got fantastic tool in the form of LLM models. They do exactly what they are the best at - translation from one token space to another, assembler to code :)
As long as the capitalists rule if you aren't gaming the system you're a slave to it. Yes, writing your own server for a game wasn't meant as a joke. But thats literally never stopped anyone before. Not all private servers have been given or leaked by the devs. Some, like Team Clementine, reverse engineer it by decompiling the game and literally fucken rebuilding the server. There is no lack of way nowadays, only wills.
They are a joke, yes. I worked on some server side code back in the day when a game server could be a nice self-contained executable on an EC2 instance. Even back then, I think it would’ve been a formidable task.
Now that game mechanics often necessitate more complex cloud infra, there’s a lot more going on that you can’t just Charles/mitmproxy your way through because it’s invisible to the client.
At the very least, you’ll need more than one dev, and that means coordination. For a ragtag group of hobbyists, AI is more likely to be a poison pill that kills the project before MVP.
Like the other person who replied exemplified, lack of wills. You could do it. Destiny recently ending development is a great example. It would be hard but its not impossible. One person probably couldn't finish it, but they could start it.
By stealing a copy of the back end code base then getting a team to figure it out and get the different client and server software versions to talk. Yes.
You're a joke, and one that disrespects everyone who's ever made anything.
Please leave your toxicity at the door. If you dont want to believe its possible to reverse engineer "modern cloud based game servers" then step aside for the people who do instead of calling people a disgrace.
Better would be to use our AI, but last time I mucked around with local LLMs (about three months ago), my hardware wasn't good enough to run a powerful enough model for reasoning 😕. I truly hope that we can get some serious advances in vector quantization so we don't have to store as many bytes for useful systems.
It was mostly a joke about using their own tools to fuck them. ChipotlAI obviously isnt cut for this job. But its funny imagining someone hunkered down at star bucks with a phone signed into an online help desk thats been subsumed by ChatGPT trying to get it to program a game server for them. New Hackerman.
Correct, "AI" does not reason like animals do. And that reasoning that we humans do is not what I mean when I say "reasoning" in regards to "AI". I neither need nor want truly intelligent machines. But what "AI" can do is stochastically recall relevant information and stochastically string it together to spit out useful programs. Despite the inherent randomness and indeterminacy of these systems, a good background in probability theory, specifically the theories of statistical learning and empirical processes, allows us to analyze machine learning systems, although the theory needs to be brought up to speed with the development of large language models.
In the meantime, we know that they can solve some practical, technical problems. (Emphasis on technical; I have no interest in "AI"-generated images, sounds, culture, etc. I am artistically, historically, philosophically, culturally interested in the goings-on of sentient beings, not nonliving things like rocks and computer algorithms.) In particular, I use it as a LaTeX assistant. (LaTeX is a document typesetting programming language aimed at mathematics documents. It is practically like Word for math people, but you write it like a program, since LaTeX is also a Turing-complete programming language). I already knew LaTeX well enough to do my homework in it before the LLM craze, but still, "AI" has saved me countless hours of unenlightening LaTeX debugging. It is not much of a stretch to imagine that other programming languages may someday be "understood" by the "AI", whatever that means mathematically. And of course, there have been some discoveries in medicine that have been enabled by "AI", although medicine is not my research area.
It is the cardinal sin of the statisticians who invented the field that "artificial intelligence" uses and abuses concepts from psychology, philosophy, and pedagogy as names for their mathematical concepts. For the time being, I believe it is fair to use the words (like "reasoning", "learning", "memory", etc.) with the caveat that in this context, each of these words mean to encode an ill-defined concept applied specifically to machine learning algorithms. Or to use computer science terminology: we overload the meaning of some of these words specifically for "AI" systems. But in the future, we really need to unfuck the vocabulary of this field...and take the math and the hardware back from the capitalist scum who are using this useful math to destroy the world.
rofl AI is absolutely not capable of stochastic reasoning, either...
I didn't say stochastic reasoning. I said that AI can "stochastically recall relevant information and stochastically string it together to spit out useful programs". Nothing about this implies that the AI is reasoning like we do.
I'm fuckin tired of all this doomerism. SKG isn't dead, people are more aware than ever of how scummy companies are, and if this movement didn't start then people wouldn't probably care about PlayStations physical media debacle.
Me happy the world is a slightly better, more aware place now. The violent revolution won't magically solve all of your problems
I think you misread the meme if think this is dooming your campaign. But thank goodness you're are now aware capitalists want to violently kill you. It’ll definitively solve their problem of you not paying rents to them.
Awarenesses is indeed the first step!
How is that self-defense coming?
36 Comments
alapakala@quokk.au · 63 pts · 49d
My wife has been laughing at this campaign for a whole year. Never ask authoritarians for consent. Mirror your games, kill your oppressors.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 29 pts · 49d
Just don't buy killable games. I learnt that one the hard way. Never again.
alapakala@quokk.au · 17 pts · 49d
I’m camp: “let's liberate our games” anarchism.
Much liberation needs happening.🤝
A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 49d
I mean, it was worth a try 🤷
alapakala@quokk.au · 2 pts · 49d
But will it lead to the gaming revolution🤔?
A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 49d
idk, probably not
Johanno@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 49d
Well what else should we do?
Raid the company headquarters that have the server code?
alapakala@quokk.au · -1 pts · 49d
Are the company oppressing you? If so, you know what else to do. Otherwise, they are neutral capitalists.
LurkingLuddite@piefed.social · 2 pts · 41d
Neutral capitalist ... lol
alapakala@quokk.au · 0 pts · 41d
Why the downvote then? If you comprehend that last punch?
MigratingApe@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 47d
We can say in the future that we wanted to solve the matter by coming to an mutual agreement. Now just wait.
Reverse engineers just got fantastic tool in the form of LLM models. They do exactly what they are the best at - translation from one token space to another, assembler to code :)
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 27 pts · 49d
Fuck them, decompile the game, write your own server. Use their AI to do it for free. Hoist the colors high.
cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 30 pts · 49d
I'm not sure you understand what this can mean.
Is this a joke, or are you?
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 2 pts · 49d
As long as the capitalists rule if you aren't gaming the system you're a slave to it. Yes, writing your own server for a game wasn't meant as a joke. But thats literally never stopped anyone before. Not all private servers have been given or leaked by the devs. Some, like Team Clementine, reverse engineer it by decompiling the game and literally fucken rebuilding the server. There is no lack of way nowadays, only wills.
cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 49d
But to the second question...
kibiz0r@midwest.social · 10 pts · 49d
They are a joke, yes. I worked on some server side code back in the day when a game server could be a nice self-contained executable on an EC2 instance. Even back then, I think it would’ve been a formidable task.
Now that game mechanics often necessitate more complex cloud infra, there’s a lot more going on that you can’t just Charles/mitmproxy your way through because it’s invisible to the client.
At the very least, you’ll need more than one dev, and that means coordination. For a ragtag group of hobbyists, AI is more likely to be a poison pill that kills the project before MVP.
cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 49d
Nobody ever makes jokes anymore, they alwa6s become them. And never good ones. Its very lonely.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 0 pts · 49d
Like the other person who replied exemplified, lack of wills. You could do it. Destiny recently ending development is a great example. It would be hard but its not impossible. One person probably couldn't finish it, but they could start it.
cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 49d
By stealing a copy of the back end code base then getting a team to figure it out and get the different client and server software versions to talk. Yes.
You're a joke, and one that disrespects everyone who's ever made anything.
alapakala@quokk.au · 4 pts · 49d
TIL db0 still believes mathematics can be stolen.
Next you're going to say that numbers can be illegal.
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus · 6 pts · 49d
Mathematics can be stolen, but it's both morally correct and fun to steal back from the capitalists, so let's steal some relevant math right now.
A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 49d
Nooo what part of illegul do you not understand???!!!??
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 3 pts · 49d
Please leave your toxicity at the door. If you dont want to believe its possible to reverse engineer "modern cloud based game servers" then step aside for the people who do instead of calling people a disgrace.
cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -4 pts · 49d
Interesting! And how do you feel about this 'leaving your toxicity by the door'?
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus · 2 pts · 49d
Better would be to use our AI, but last time I mucked around with local LLMs (about three months ago), my hardware wasn't good enough to run a powerful enough model for reasoning 😕. I truly hope that we can get some serious advances in vector quantization so we don't have to store as many bytes for useful systems.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 2 pts · 49d
It was mostly a joke about using their own tools to fuck them. ChipotlAI obviously isnt cut for this job. But its funny imagining someone hunkered down at star bucks with a phone signed into an online help desk thats been subsumed by ChatGPT trying to get it to program a game server for them. New Hackerman.
LurkingLuddite@piefed.social · 1 pts · 41d
"AI" does not reason, so you were on a goose chase anyways.
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus · -1 pts · 41d
Correct, "AI" does not reason like animals do. And that reasoning that we humans do is not what I mean when I say "reasoning" in regards to "AI". I neither need nor want truly intelligent machines. But what "AI" can do is stochastically recall relevant information and stochastically string it together to spit out useful programs. Despite the inherent randomness and indeterminacy of these systems, a good background in probability theory, specifically the theories of statistical learning and empirical processes, allows us to analyze machine learning systems, although the theory needs to be brought up to speed with the development of large language models.
In the meantime, we know that they can solve some practical, technical problems. (Emphasis on technical; I have no interest in "AI"-generated images, sounds, culture, etc. I am artistically, historically, philosophically, culturally interested in the goings-on of sentient beings, not nonliving things like rocks and computer algorithms.) In particular, I use it as a LaTeX assistant. (LaTeX is a document typesetting programming language aimed at mathematics documents. It is practically like Word for math people, but you write it like a program, since LaTeX is also a Turing-complete programming language). I already knew LaTeX well enough to do my homework in it before the LLM craze, but still, "AI" has saved me countless hours of unenlightening LaTeX debugging. It is not much of a stretch to imagine that other programming languages may someday be "understood" by the "AI", whatever that means mathematically. And of course, there have been some discoveries in medicine that have been enabled by "AI", although medicine is not my research area.
It is the cardinal sin of the statisticians who invented the field that "artificial intelligence" uses and abuses concepts from psychology, philosophy, and pedagogy as names for their mathematical concepts. For the time being, I believe it is fair to use the words (like "reasoning", "learning", "memory", etc.) with the caveat that in this context, each of these words mean to encode an ill-defined concept applied specifically to machine learning algorithms. Or to use computer science terminology: we overload the meaning of some of these words specifically for "AI" systems. But in the future, we really need to unfuck the vocabulary of this field...and take the math and the hardware back from the capitalist scum who are using this useful math to destroy the world.
LurkingLuddite@piefed.social · 0 pts · 40d
rofl AI is absolutely not capable of stochastic reasoning, either... Yes, 'stochastic' implies reasoning as well. They DO NOT REASON, PERIOD.
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus · 0 pts · 40d
I didn't say stochastic reasoning. I said that AI can "stochastically recall relevant information and stochastically string it together to spit out useful programs". Nothing about this implies that the AI is reasoning like we do.
What? No it doesn't.
Correct, that was the first thing I said. Did you even read what I wrote?
alapakala@quokk.au · 13 pts · 49d
The capitalists have joined the thread😔
bigboismith@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 49d
I'm fuckin tired of all this doomerism. SKG isn't dead, people are more aware than ever of how scummy companies are, and if this movement didn't start then people wouldn't probably care about PlayStations physical media debacle.
Me happy the world is a slightly better, more aware place now. The violent revolution won't magically solve all of your problems
rursta@retrolemmy.com · -1 pts · 49d
I think you misread the meme if think this is dooming your campaign. But thank goodness you're are now aware capitalists want to violently kill you. It’ll definitively solve their problem of you not paying rents to them.
Awarenesses is indeed the first step!
How is that self-defense coming?
carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 49d
> "flippanarchy"
> look inside
> marxist meme
🧐
(btw this is not an issue lol. i just find it funny)